Has Esoteric Stuff Become Pseudoscience, Rather than Dealing with Things Intellectually

[wizanda]

Within many religious traditions, there is almost an occult pseudoscience they like to claim is esoteric; as hardly anyone has reached the state needed to comprehend it anymore.

So instead of admit no one knows what they're talking about, people in these religious traditions, just carry on spouting the same religious stuff, regardless if these no longer align with science facts anymore.

So isn't it about time that some of these concepts became scientifically intellectual between us all, and that we analytically understand chakras, meditation, samadhi, karma, kundalini, ego, yoga, Ayurveda, etc?

Thus within us all understanding these topics better, we remove some of these huge egos that some of the followers seem to have; as they seem to think their knowledge is some how exclusive to them, and that they have ownership over something that we all should scientifically understand.

Currently It would be like someone saying, 'there is warmth from the sun, and simply feel it, not understand it'; thus not realizing that its rays are dangerous to the skin, not understanding the many frequencies that are being emitted, and absorbed in as nutrition...

Basically just turning it into words, that have no context, 'sun' = 'warmth'.

If someone then tries to explain like in Plato's Cave: that the sun is also capable of many other things, and that it isn't simply a light to produce silhouettes on a cave wall; yet has an array of colors within it as well, similar to the chakra system that some have concluded is just an esoteric pretty rainbow, with no other scientific functions.

Thus just like a butterfly dance, we can understand the complex mathematical algorithms taking place, as the balance of all contributing equations determines if they'll successfully mate, and then we can also stand back, whilst just admiring the beauty; yet personally see more beauty in knowing how it works, and not just observing without knowing what is going on.

In my opinion.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Within many religious traditions, there is almost an occult pseudoscience they like to claim is esoteric; as hardly anyone has reached the state needed to comprehend it anymore.

So instead of admit no one knows what they're talking about, people in these religious traditions, just carry on spouting the same religious stuff, regardless if these no longer align with science facts anymore.

So isn't it about time that some of these concepts became scientifically intellectual between us all, and that we analytically understand chakras, meditation, samadhi, karma, kundalini, ego, yoga, Ayurveda, etc?

Thus within us all understanding these topics better, we remove some of these huge egos that some of the followers seem to have; as they seem to think their knowledge is some how exclusive to them, and that they have ownership over something that we all should scientifically understand.

Currently It would be like someone saying, 'there is warmth from the sun, and simply feel it, not understand it'; thus not realizing that its rays are dangerous to the skin, not understanding the many frequencies that are being emitted, and absorbed in as nutrition...

Basically just turning it into words, that have no context, 'sun' = 'warmth'.

If someone then tries to explain like in Plato's Cave: that the sun is also capable of many other things, and that it isn't simply a light to produce silhouettes on a cave wall; yet has an array of colors within it as well, similar to the chakra system that some have concluded is just an esoteric pretty rainbow, with no other scientific functions.

Thus just like a butterfly dance, we can understand the complex mathematical algorithms taking place, as the balance of all contributing equations determines if they'll successfully mate, and then we can also stand back, whilst just admiring the beauty; yet personally see more beauty in knowing how it works, and not just observing without knowing what is going on.

In my opinion.

I have seem numerous examples of constructive mystic practices reduced to fuzzy feel-goodism without any understanding of the unseen meaning of the practices. This is followed closely by those who just picked up the practice last week and profess miraculous changes in their outward life and blissfully unaware of their inner life.

There, I got that off my chest. The soapbox is yours again.

 

[wizanda]

There, I got that off my chest. The soapbox is yours again.

It is our soapbox to share; personally believe everyone of us has similar thought processes, nothing is exclusive, and it is only the ego that would assume so.

fuzzy feel-goodism

Yeah children like to learn new things, and often think they can run before they can walk...

Thus as we achieve more maturity, where we realize all are children, and thus become like a grandparent to then help them understand more...

We then see some of the religious children have gone around claiming they're superior for using special words, that only they know, and thus other children have tried to compete by using these words, and not the meaning behind them; until now we've got a world of people wearing silly costumes with big hats, to prove they know more than the other children.

In my opinion.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

We then see some of the religious children have gone around claiming they're superior for using special words, that only they know, and thus other children have tried to compete by using these words, and not the meaning behind them...

In my opinion.

Cowabunga dude.

 

[wizanda]

Cowabunga dude.

'1954, American English, from exclamation of surprise and anger by "Chief Thunderthud" in "The Howdy Doody Show," 1950s children's TV show; used by surfers 1960s as a shout of triumph, and spread worldwide 1990 by use in the TV cartoon "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."' - the definition of cowabunga

Thanks, always something new to learn; thought it came from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles... Everything always has additional contexts when we look.

In my opinion.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

'1954, American English, from exclamation of surprise and anger by "Chief Thunderthud" in "The Howdy Doody Show," 1950s children's TV show; used by surfers 1960s as a shout of triumph, and spread worldwide 1990 by use in the TV cartoon "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."' - the definition of cowabunga

Thanks, always something new to learn; thought it came from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles... Everything always has additional contexts when we look.

In my opinion.

A prime example of how original meanings get complicated and corrupted. Then historians take promence thinking that the things that happened are all there is.

 

[wizanda]

A prime example of how original meanings get complicated and corrupted.

Would say there is always additional details (not sure it is always complicated); like i generally check etymology to see where a words roots come from, and not just assume the end meaning was its original intent.

They become corrupted once people are no longer willing to question how something arrived at the end conclusion we now have...

Like double checking the sums, to see if it actually adds up along the whole equation.

Then historians take promence thinking that the things that happened are all there is.

Some historians and religious zealots seem to be quite similar in that light; they both take scholarly articles to dictate everything, refuse to question alternative perspectives that do not fit their presuppositions, and are determined not to overthrow their own argument...

Whereas the scientific method for analysis is to be willing, and wanting to throw out the equations, to come to the best hypothesis available with the given data.

In my opinion.

 

[Aldrnari]

Something must be said for esoteric traditions that just aren't tested. For example, this "Kiai Master" touted he could use his energy attacks and defeat the best martial artists in the world. He was so vested in his own delusions, he posted a challenge, and it was accepted...

Spoiler: Warning: Violence

Needless to say, when his practice was finally brought out into the light and tested, it didn't pass the test.

When practices seek refuge in the shadows, they don't have to be tested or checked by the real world. This is how people become deluded...

 

[wizanda]

"Kiai Master"

In comparison to this one:

In my opinion.

 

[David T]

Within many religious traditions, there is almost an occult pseudoscience they like to claim is esoteric; as hardly anyone has reached the state needed to comprehend it anymore.

So instead of admit no one knows what they're talking about, people in these religious traditions, just carry on spouting the same religious stuff, regardless if these no longer align with science facts anymore.

So isn't it about time that some of these concepts became scientifically intellectual between us all, and that we analytically understand chakras, meditation, samadhi, karma, kundalini, ego, yoga, Ayurveda, etc?

Thus within us all understanding these topics better, we remove some of these huge egos that some of the followers seem to have; as they seem to think their knowledge is some how exclusive to them, and that they have ownership over something that we all should scientifically understand.

Currently It would be like someone saying, 'there is warmth from the sun, and simply feel it, not understand it'; thus not realizing that its rays are dangerous to the skin, not understanding the many frequencies that are being emitted, and absorbed in as nutrition...

Basically just turning it into words, that have no context, 'sun' = 'warmth'.

If someone then tries to explain like in Plato's Cave: that the sun is also capable of many other things, and that it isn't simply a light to produce silhouettes on a cave wall; yet has an array of colors within it as well, similar to the chakra system that some have concluded is just an esoteric pretty rainbow, with no other scientific functions.

Thus just like a butterfly dance, we can understand the complex mathematical algorithms taking place, as the balance of all contributing equations determines if they'll successfully mate, and then we can also stand back, whilst just admiring the beauty; yet personally see more beauty in knowing how it works, and not just observing without knowing what is going on.

In my opinion.

metaphysics at least in this country is all about what one thinks interpretively completely oblivious to how how one is thinking. It is not mentally healthy at all. In fact its rather evangelical in its science worship. What is creationism ID but that. Math as reality is la la land.

We can see all of it playing out it in it the mutual self destruction of Carl Nietztche and his son Friedrich. Carl is the "believer" minister father, Friedrich is the "non believer son". And they teach nietztche in college?I see nothing healthy in either proposition both lived out in an interpretive reality and hell thats "normal" and it killed them.

Is metaphysics supposed to be a gateway to insanity? It sure seems to be promoted as exactly that. People turn to science narrative as a respite but its just as stupid when fundemental. We confuse mechanical accuracy for reality. ThatsT just cargo cult science which is also common.

I am a big john Muir fan, he was niether a believer nor a non believer and he seemed pretty attuned the crazy interpretive quality of culture. Breathing is way under valued and long periods of time in it the wilderness is not common. That's a huge mistake as a culture. No we prefer reading about nature as a topic along with everything else.

 

[Fool]

Within many religious traditions, there is almost an occult pseudoscience they like to claim is esoteric; as hardly anyone has reached the state needed to comprehend it anymore.

So instead of admit no one knows what they're talking about, people in these religious traditions, just carry on spouting the same religious stuff, regardless if these no longer align with science facts anymore.

So isn't it about time that some of these concepts became scientifically intellectual between us all, and that we analytically understand chakras, meditation, samadhi, karma, kundalini, ego, yoga, Ayurveda, etc?

Thus within us all understanding these topics better, we remove some of these huge egos that some of the followers seem to have; as they seem to think their knowledge is some how exclusive to them, and that they have ownership over something that we all should scientifically understand.

Currently It would be like someone saying, 'there is warmth from the sun, and simply feel it, not understand it'; thus not realizing that its rays are dangerous to the skin, not understanding the many frequencies that are being emitted, and absorbed in as nutrition...

Basically just turning it into words, that have no context, 'sun' = 'warmth'.

If someone then tries to explain like in Plato's Cave: that the sun is also capable of many other things, and that it isn't simply a light to produce silhouettes on a cave wall; yet has an array of colors within it as well, similar to the chakra system that some have concluded is just an esoteric pretty rainbow, with no other scientific functions.

Thus just like a butterfly dance, we can understand the complex mathematical algorithms taking place, as the balance of all contributing equations determines if they'll successfully mate, and then we can also stand back, whilst just admiring the beauty; yet personally see more beauty in knowing how it works, and not just observing without knowing what is going on.

In my opinion.

yes, i believe that the esoteric is shrouded either in secrecy on purpose and to keep out of the hands of those who would use it for service to self, or because the archaic language used to describe the actions, processes is so steeped in symbolic, metaphors, and similes that it's hard to understand from our modern conditioning.