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Hark, the Herald Angels...Sing?

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by FerventGodSeeker, May 22, 2006.

  1. SunMessenger

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    For some reason I believe sing and praise in this context mean the same thing. The words may be interchangable ??? What do you think? Hark The Herald Angels Sing could mean Hark The Herald Angels Praise or even proclaim ? Interesting question ... Be Well and God Bless...
     
  2. Aqualung

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    Most religious songs are wrong. Handle's Messiah is another one that comes to mind...
     
  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    One has to wonder at the impetus behind the OP.

    Obviously, the scriptures have never intimated that Angels DON'T sing. So if anything, this is merely a matter of "opinion" and should never be in contention as a doctrinal issue.

    I have seen such logic used to condemn the use of musical instruments in a church or even having a kitchen or a nursery. Were they to FULLY extend the folly of their logic, there should be no AC, bathrooms or even electricity in those buildings either.
     
  4. FerventGodSeeker

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    I don't think praise and sing are exactly the same thing. I think singing CAN be praise, but I do not think that praise is always singing. For example,
    "Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you...Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse...What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you." 1 Cor. 11:2,17, 22
    I seriously doubt that Paul is talking about singing here. ;)

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    I thought it was only one angel who sings: "Hark, Harold the Angel sings..."

    luna:guitar1:
     
  7. FerventGodSeeker

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    :spit: :jester3: :biglaugh:

    You Rock, Luna! :foryou:

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    What do I know...that's what it says in my NIV. :angel2:

    (BTW, I like and use my NIV study Bible :D )

    luna
     
  9. FerventGodSeeker

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    And I don't think any less of you for it. I do, however, think that there are better English translations out there. ANY English translation should always be checked against the original Greek or Hebrew to verify the original content and meaning.

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  10. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    So we shouldn't use cars or microphones or printed Bibles or wear suits or eat corn on the cob or THE STINKING INTERNET. NONE of these are mentioned as "legitimate" in the Bible and so using your line of thought you are SINNING by even posting here. You heretic! :D
    Or, heaven forbid, should we assume that they DON'T sing. Either way you are departing from scripture and merely guessing.

    But one has to wonder... is this the "New Legalism" where we are held to Laws by extrapolation? Say goodbye to grace and the freedom to praise God with all of our hearts: There's a new Law in town!!!
     
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    Far more important than the translation you prefer, is your determination to DO WHAT IT SAYS.

    James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.
    26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. The Wretched NIV

    After all, it's the SPIRIT that changes our hearts: not our smug study of the scriptures.
     
  12. FerventGodSeeker

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    IF by colloquial, you mean that it uses MODERN grammer and syntax, then I would have to agree. :D However, I have met more than my share of people who really think that the KJV and the NKJV are the only inspired versions and I find that INCREDIBLY legalistic!

     
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    Safer for what? Surely you don't put any more weight on this subject than how many of these tone deaf angels can dance on the head of a pin, do you? (That would be Angels WITHOUT harps here... :D )
     
  17. joeboonda

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    Hmm, dunno. But, I like the idea of the angels singing in Luke 2, although it says they were 'saying'... But, I read that Lucifer when He was the top angel in Heaven was over the angelic choir, but I do not recall where or if it is scriptural, something fun to study I suppose. I suppose I believe that God created music and that it has been going on since before mankind, the angelic hosts praising God with utterances and beautiful music that we cannot even imagine. I know we are told to sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs to God and each other and to ourselves each day, so it is not a stretch for me to believe that God likes music or that the angels do sing. But that is just me :)
     
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    Safer for the sake of argument? It's a figure of speech, how do I know what it means? LOL. :D As I said, I don't really think this issue is something to start a new denomination over (although some Protestant probably would:rolleyes: ). I just find it interesting because it is something that I think Christians simply assume because see we it or hear it so often, yet it is in neither Scripture nor Tradition, that I have seen.

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  19. FerventGodSeeker

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    Thanks for your thoughts. As for Lucifer being head over an angelic choir, I have not seen this Scripture. If you can find it, let me know; I'll do a bit of research myself.

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  20. joeboonda

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    HI, haven't got to look up much on the 'doctrines of Satan', and where they all fit together in Scripture, however I did find one passage in Ezekiel, which although speaks of the king of Tyrus, is thought to speak of Satan by some scholars. I will underline the 'musical' references...I italicized some parts that seem to be a portrayal of Lucifer. Like I said, I have not studied it, although I am sure there are some very scholarly in-depth books on the scriptural aspects of this Christian doctrine....

    28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
    28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
    28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
    28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
    28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
    28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
    28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
    (King James Bible, Ezekiel)
     
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