0:00 - 6:00 introductory remarks
8:14 Important note: He says "male and female he created them". Correct. Not man and woman, but masculine and feminine were created. Gen 1 on day 6.
8:22 he just changed the story, and said "man and woman were created simultaneously" No, that's not in the story, yet.
Note: He talks about hebrew grammar, but he misquoted the verse. So, there's a bit of a credibillty grab here, claiming to know the Hebrew, most people in the audience probably don't. And now they may not question what he's saying.
8:50 He puts up on the screen that "humans" were created on day 6. No.
Also note. The 7 days of creation didn't begin and end in Gen 1. The 7 days of creation occur in both Gen 1 and Gen 2. This is important. There aren't chapters originally in hese scrolls. The chapters are a late addition. So, if a person hears, "There's a creation story in Gen 1. And then another creation story in Gen 2. They will naturally think, oh, they're two seperate stories. But, the story flows seemlessly.
9:05 he says "On the day Lord God made earth and heaven". Yes, correct.
Before God created, that's the beginning of the process. Created like coming up with an idea. Made is different. Made implies completion. When was it made? when was it completed? After God rested, after so now we're talking about the 8th day. Here's the verse, notice it's in Gen 2.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
9:10, he asks, which day is it that the heavens an earth were made? Good question.
9:35 "There was no rain in Genesis 1" Correct.
9:43 "The land was damp from it's chaotic watery state" Wrong. The land was dry.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear; and it was so.
9:48 here he makes an assumption. he correctly reads the verse, there was no rain, and there is no man to till the earth. but, he assumes that this means that man is needed for the plants to grow. that's not part of the story. then he calls out to the crowd "Man isn't created until day what? ... " It's inaudible but I'm guessing someone said "day 6". So, there's a bit of social pressure happening here.
10:05 he ackowledges that the earth is now dry, but missed that this happened in Gen 1.
10:15 "And the Lord God formed man from the dust"... yes. Now if only he would pay attention to the details. Created vs. formed vs. made... God vs. Lord God ( it's more apparent in the Hebrew these are different )
10:38 "Man was created on day 6 and there was a lady wih him" wrong. masculine feminine were created and they remained with God in Gen 1. A careful reading of the story, preferrably from a Jewish source will confirm this. ( It could be the KJV gets this right, I don't know ).
10:50, he gets it right that Lord God made a garden, but he's forgotten how one makes a garden. You clear the ground first. Then he insists that all of this aready happened, but it hasn't. The whole problem honestly is what he said at the beginning. "There's only one way to read this story." Poor poor Dr. Baden. That's a terrible way to approach these stories. As he great Rabbi Ben Bag said... "Turn it, and turn it...
" These are Jewish stories. There is no 1 way. There's always another way.
11:07 He's confused about the animals and plants being made in the garden. why? It's a different place. another group of plants, another group of animals, made in the garden. It's simple. This is day 8. Anyway, the wording in the Hebrew is different, reding it in english makes it sound the same. technically, the animals in Gen 1 were made of the earth. The animals in Gen 2 were made from the ground. They were different.
11:52 "No one can tellyou a single story that takes into account all the details of the bible". I don't know if he can say that. How does he know, has he studied with Rabbis? Does he know Midrash? That's where a lot of these answers can be found. And he says, there are two stories here. No. It doesn't have to be read that way. That's one way to read it, but it doesn;t make sense split up like that. It makes more sense to read it sequenially. There were no chapters originally.
12:24, OK, now he goes through the bullet points
1) Was the earth watery or dusty? Dry and Dusty in both.
2) How long does creation take? 7 days, no contradiction, Eden was made on day 8.
3) Whats the order of creation? The order of creation is in Gen 1. People were not formed and built until Eden. The plants and animals in Eden were different plants and animals.
4) What is man's domain? is he supposed to fill the earth? Or he supposed to hang out forever in a garden? That is answered in Gen 3. He was supposed to start out in the garden, eat the apple and descend to the earth to complete his mission.
5) What about woman is she created simultaneously in the image of God, or secondarily to man in the image of rib? ( That's cute ). Woman was not created in gen 1. Masculine feminine were created in the image of the likeness of God. And woman was built ( literal translation of the text) from a rib. Building is complicated... much more complicated than forming. So yes, Gen 2 makes sense. Women's biology is much much more complicated than men.
13:03 "If one of these stories is true, by definition the other story cannot be true." well. Who says they need to be true. But the stories don't have to contraic each other, if a person pays attention to the details. Again, the most complicated part is the plants needing rain. And that can be explained. But it needs Hebrew.
13:49 I like the point he's making, but he's changed the story. Technically Gen 2 is far more eco-friendly. And in Gen 1 people are supposed to positively dominate the natural world. So, this one is ... wrong. It's going on the list.
14:00 gender rights? feminine is absolutely created in the likeness of the image of God and equal to masculine. There is no way around it. And Gen 2 is also pro women. Thechnically woman is superior to man. Gen 3 is where gender rights takes a huge leap backwards. But, that doesn't fit the theme that the stories are incompatible.
15:09 "If there are two contradictory stories..." Or if they're not two contradictory stories?
16:23 OK, I like what he's saying here. He's saying that the bible if full of differing opinions. OK. So how come at the beginning and all throughout he's saying that Gen 1 and Gen 2 have to be read in 1 way and 1 way only. That's hypocritical.
16:50 There is no one truth, they're all equally valid... Yes! So, apply that to the oiginal rigid assumption, they must be two different stories and can't be read in sequence.
17:52 - Ooooh. He's brining Talmud! Love it. No sarcasm. "Enough you're both right." So.... guess what that means? The story can be read in sequence, and Dr. Baden was wrong, and right. Both. Love it.
Yup, he changes the words, Joel. Significantly changes the words.
weird, I missed that, and I listened very carefully from beginning to end. Are you sure that's in there, and you're not confusing two different videos?