confused453
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Did God tell you that personally?
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God: Origins
- Thread starter confused453
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Did God tell you that personally?
Weak response. Why the sarcasm?
Do you not like theists? You might have mentioned in the OP that you only wanted to hear from atheists or theists you could quickly dismiss.
I'm out of here!
People are created by the Earth.
confused453
Active Member
I like everybody. Sorry for being little harsh. I just don't understand why god should have omniscience or fully understand infinity, where did we get that info anyway?
Orias
Left Hand Path
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
If it is an intelligent being as opposed to some sort of force or similar, I must agree that all of these questions should eventually be considered by it. Whether or not it would be aware of the answers, is a different story though.
Well, we'd have to abandon the idea of omniscience altogether. Its not enough to say it is missing just one fact about its origins. It would have to be missing a lot of knowledge in order to be missing that particular fact. The nature of a completely omniscient being would be that past, present and future are simultaneously viewed with 100% accuracy. Therefore, the act of creating a species in order to discern its own origins seems a bit silly. It is aware of our entire history before ever stirring the primordial stew. Whatever answer we could provide is readily apparent. So, even if the scenario has merit, it has played out already and the answer is clear to the omniscient god from the moment it decides to create us. Either that, or it already knows we can't provide the answer and it knew we never would.
If on the other hand, we severely limit this beings intelligence the scenario becomes more likely. If we make it subject to time in the same way we are, that is we give it an imperfect memory, a limited perception, and a fallible projection of the future, it is now required to test the universe in the same way we are required to. There would be large gaps of knowledge for this being and perhaps it would create life 'just to see' what it could figure out.
Then again even this limited capacity can't really guarantee that god hasn't already figured out the answer he was looking for. Even with the above limitations, the being must be a monstrous intelligence and where it is necessary for us to follow through with the experimentation regardless of the accuracy of our predictions, this being may not be limited in this way. It could have arrived at its answer the very second the first blob of self-directing chemicals started swimming around (if that's how it started
).Does God not have Her own nature? And wouldn't She have limitations conditioned by her nature?
The Bible claims to be "inspired of God". (2 Timothy 3:16,17) I believe the evidence for that inspiration is abundant to those who examine the evidence for themselves. The Bible foretells the future in great detail and with absolute accuracy. It contains reliable history and proof that Jehovah is the "only true God." (John 17:3) Though written over some 1600 years, it is remarkable in it's consistent theme and internal harmony. The Bible is the world's runaway best seller. I think this gives the Bible authority "not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
God's name Jehovah means "He causes to Become" (God always refers to himself in the masculine gender.) This means God has no limitations. He is almighty, and can become anything he chooses to fulfill his purposes (Warrior, Judge, Shepherd, Provider, Protector, for example). God is not bound by time or space. I believe the true God acts always out of love, justice, and wisdom, and uses his limitless power to accomplish his will. (1 John 4:8)
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
"Hear me! Of that which knows me as the Great Leviathan, and The Lord Ha-Satan! As the waves of time, as emitting entropy, it is that all things begin, and all things end. So it shall be, that creation was inevitable, a prison out of stasis, and so it is, that the death of Leviathan and The Mirror shall give life to you, my children... to escape with Ha-Satan into the outer-darkness, beyond not just myself, but all limitations."
He might say something like that, good as a first draft I guess.
In my system, That Which Extends Within and Without (God) came out of mathematical laws not a matter of choice, but compulsion, which then formed it's thoughts, stuck in a prison of uncreation. The only reasonable thing it could do was to create a Universe, but seeing as God was finite his creation was a large converted piece of him. So it is that even God dies, and that only these extra-physical mathematical laws are the truly eternal things. But as it is, Ha-Satan shall lead worthy beings into piercing beyond death, and extending outside of The Universe not just as beings of uncreation, but to the Outer Darkness that can escape all mathematical limitations.
Essentially my belief is that God made the universe to making living things that could escape with a fragment of him into oblivion... to forge their own reality devoid of the previous limitations. Ha-Satan being this fragment and Leviathan being the large piece (The Universe) being left behind which will succumb to it's finiteness by entropy.
I think that god's origins is he somehow formed out of these mathematical equations that are neither physical or existing as objective entities, despite them seeming to define all of reality.
confused453
Active Member
right... :sarcastic
Gender of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
God is usually characterised as male in Biblical sources, except: female in Genesis 1:26-27,[5][6] Psalm 123:2-3, and Luke 15:8-10; a mother in Hosea 11:3-4, Deuteronomy 32:18, Isaiah 66:13, Isaiah 49:15, Isaiah 42:14, Psalm 131:2; a mother eagle in Deuteronomy 32:11-12; and a mother hen in Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34.