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Featured God discovered by Science

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sophiaa, Oct 25, 2021.

  1. Sophiaa

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    The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

    This is how science discovered an area of God

    Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

    Therefore since science says
    . Energy can not be created or destroyed

    There for God exists

    Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

    They called that force energy

    While the Bible calls that force God

    The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

    If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

    God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

    Is this not marvelous in our eyes


    Glory to God
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Thoughts about the actual argument aside, this wouldn't prove the Biblical God. At best you could arrive at a deistic concept, imo.
     
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  4. Sophiaa

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    Thanks!
     
  5. Sophiaa

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    To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
    The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

    Let look at this story


    A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
    The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.
     
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  6. Guitar's Cry

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    So you are pantheistic, since you are defining God as energy and matter that cannot be created or destroyed, which means all matter and energy?
     
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  7. ChristineM

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    Hmmm, i have a different take on it using the mass energy equivalence formula e=mc2. A step further than the first law if thermodynamics.

    It is said the bible god is omnipotent KJV revelation 19:6

    Omnipotence is infinite power, power is energy expended over time. Therefore god must be infinite energy to be omnipotent.

    If energy cannot be created or destroyed then there can be no mass (matter) because it is all energy in gods omnipotence.

    You exist as mass therefore god cannot be omnipotent because some energy has been converted to mass

    Something to think about while celebrating your time on RF. Sit back, relax and enjoy the cake.

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  8. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    Were the king a philosopher he would have stated that he knows the mechanisms of writing and has the empirical evidence to show that it could not have written itself, thus, it must have been the rabbi.

    But, absent of the same evidence that the Universe requires a "creator" and understanding some of the mechanisms involved that need no creator, the analogy is thus flawed.
     
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    Which God? Thor, Zeus or Poseidon or some other god.
     
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  10. John D. Brey

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    You left out one important caveat: within a closed system. Energy can't be created from the energy that already exists within the closed system, and it can't be destroyed in the closed system.

    It's the third law of thermodynamics that's most likely a proof of God. The third law states that a temperature of absolute zero cannot be achieved in the system in any finite number of steps. This appears to imply that even the closed system's finite boundaries are transcended by somthing. It implies that though we might be stuck in a closed system, the universe, fear not. Someone, or thing, exists outside the closed system.

    If he has a big enough, hard enough, drill bit, maybe he can drill a hole from the outside in and let us out. :D



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  11. clara17

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    I dont think anything can prove the Biblical God, because the Biblical God does not want to be proven. He wants people with the awareness to have faith even under mass deceptions.
    Many verses demonstrate this.
     
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    "Therefore god must be infinite energy to be omnipotent."

    What type of energy must he be? Potential? Kinetic?
     
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    Energy doesn't talk and give dictations. It has no human incarnation and no ten commandments.

    Calling energy God doesn't make it the god of the bible. We are all energy but the Bible doesn't promote pantheism.
     
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    Whatever, to be omnipotent requires all energy
     
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    You're so right, God being controller of sims, reality based virtual reality programmer of human consciousness might not actually be much like God as portrayed in some Biblical mythological tales.
     
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    The problem with the OP's argument is that she does not understand energy. In physics energy is mostly bookkeeping. And it turns out that there is both positive energy, usually seen in the form of light or kinetic energy,, or mass itself since technically mass is energy, for positive energy, and usually seen in the form of gravitational potential energy for negative energy. Physicists have measured the total energy of the universe. And as closely as they can determine the total energy of the universe is zero. So a universe from nothing does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.


    I can provide links and sources if people wish.
     
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  17. setarcos

    setarcos The hopeful or the hopeless?

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    I'd say that it would be closer to a pantheistic concept.
     
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    Or it could be that you dont understand energy?
    The study of energy in physics is mostly bookkeeping,
    but energy itself is way, way outside of the realm of understanding of you, or any physicist.
     
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    Scientifically speaking and by scientifically, I mean accurately. Energy is merely the capacity of a system to do work, measured in joules. A falling rock is an energy system, potential gravitational energy being converted into kinetic energy. Energy has no existence outside of a physical system. Secondly. The first law can be violated if but temporarily, by quantum indeterminacy. For example virtual photons are spontaneously emanating from zero point energy fluctuations everywhere, since they are particle anti particle pairs. They mutually annihilate before the universe notices. Unless this fluctuation occurs around the event horizon of a black hole. Then one of the pairs can escape as Hawking radiation and the other falling in. Shrinking the mass of the black hole over time, at a rate proportional to the surface area of the black hole.
     
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    except that positive energy is not negative energy and gravity stems from a deformation of space/time itself according to Einstein's theories. So, bringing positive energy/mass together with what we would consider negative energy does not eliminate both, making a net result of zero in the form of nothing existing but instead represents a net change of entropy of zero. That is not nothing, that is something.
     
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