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God discovered by Science

Sophiaa

Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is how science discovered an area of God

Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

Therefore since science says
. Energy can not be created or destroyed

There for God exists

Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

They called that force energy

While the Bible calls that force God

The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

Is this not marvelous in our eyes


Glory to God
 

Sophiaa

Member
To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is how science discovered an area of God

Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

Therefore since science says
. Energy can not be created or destroyed

There for God exists

Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

They called that force energy

While the Bible calls that force God

The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

Is this not marvelous in our eyes


Glory to God


Hmmm, i have a different take on it using the mass energy equivalence formula e=mc2. A step further than the first law if thermodynamics.

It is said the bible god is omnipotent KJV revelation 19:6

Omnipotence is infinite power, power is energy expended over time. Therefore god must be infinite energy to be omnipotent.

If energy cannot be created or destroyed then there can be no mass (matter) because it is all energy in gods omnipotence.

You exist as mass therefore god cannot be omnipotent because some energy has been converted to mass

Something to think about while celebrating your time on RF. Sit back, relax and enjoy the cake.

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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.

Were the king a philosopher he would have stated that he knows the mechanisms of writing and has the empirical evidence to show that it could not have written itself, thus, it must have been the rabbi.

But, absent of the same evidence that the Universe requires a "creator" and understanding some of the mechanisms involved that need no creator, the analogy is thus flawed.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is how science discovered an area of God

Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

Therefore since science says
. Energy can not be created or destroyed

There for God exists

Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

They called that force energy

While the Bible calls that force God

The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

Is this not marvelous in our eyes


Glory to God
Which God? Thor, Zeus or Poseidon or some other god.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

You left out one important caveat: within a closed system. Energy can't be created from the energy that already exists within the closed system, and it can't be destroyed in the closed system.

It's the third law of thermodynamics that's most likely a proof of God. The third law states that a temperature of absolute zero cannot be achieved in the system in any finite number of steps. This appears to imply that even the closed system's finite boundaries are transcended by somthing. It implies that though we might be stuck in a closed system, the universe, fear not. Someone, or thing, exists outside the closed system.

If he has a big enough, hard enough, drill bit, maybe he can drill a hole from the outside in and let us out. :D



John
 

clara17

Memorable member
Thoughts about the actual argument aside, this wouldn't prove the Biblical God. At best you could arrive at a deistic concept, imo.

I dont think anything can prove the Biblical God, because the Biblical God does not want to be proven. He wants people with the awareness to have faith even under mass deceptions.
Many verses demonstrate this.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is how science discovered an area of God

Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

Therefore since science says
. Energy can not be created or destroyed

There for God exists

Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

They called that force energy

While the Bible calls that force God

The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

Is this not marvelous in our eyes


Glory to God

Energy doesn't talk and give dictations. It has no human incarnation and no ten commandments.

Calling energy God doesn't make it the god of the bible. We are all energy but the Bible doesn't promote pantheism.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Thoughts about the actual argument aside, this wouldn't prove the Biblical God. At best you could arrive at a deistic concept, imo.

You're so right, God being controller of sims, reality based virtual reality programmer of human consciousness might not actually be much like God as portrayed in some Biblical mythological tales.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The problem with the OP's argument is that she does not understand energy. In physics energy is mostly bookkeeping. And it turns out that there is both positive energy, usually seen in the form of light or kinetic energy,, or mass itself since technically mass is energy, for positive energy, and usually seen in the form of gravitational potential energy for negative energy. Physicists have measured the total energy of the universe. And as closely as they can determine the total energy of the universe is zero. So a universe from nothing does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.


I can provide links and sources if people wish.
 

clara17

Memorable member
The problem with the OP's argument is that she does not understand energy. In physics energy is mostly bookkeeping. And it turns out that there is both positive energy, usually seen in the form of light or kinetic energy,, or mass itself since technically mass is energy, for positive energy, and usually seen in the form of gravitational potential energy for negative energy. Physicists have measured the total energy of the universe. And as closely as they can determine the total energy of the universe is zero. So a universe from nothing does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.


I can provide links and sources if people wish.


Or it could be that you dont understand energy?
The study of energy in physics is mostly bookkeeping,
but energy itself is way, way outside of the realm of understanding of you, or any physicist.
 

Azrael Antilla

Active Member
Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. ... In other words, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is how science discovered an area of God

Stating that God is many things and that God is power and since power is energy

Therefore since science says
. Energy can not be created or destroyed

There for God exists

Because science shows that there is a force that can not be created and that force can not be destroyed

They called that force energy

While the Bible calls that force God

The linkage is very clear for all to see the evidence from scientists research

If science never found this force then Bible theories maybe said to be lying but here science found it and science explain it exactly the way Bible explains it

God can not be created and God cannot be destroyed same as energy definition

Is this not marvelous in our eyes


Glory to God
Scientifically speaking and by scientifically, I mean accurately. Energy is merely the capacity of a system to do work, measured in joules. A falling rock is an energy system, potential gravitational energy being converted into kinetic energy. Energy has no existence outside of a physical system. Secondly. The first law can be violated if but temporarily, by quantum indeterminacy. For example virtual photons are spontaneously emanating from zero point energy fluctuations everywhere, since they are particle anti particle pairs. They mutually annihilate before the universe notices. Unless this fluctuation occurs around the event horizon of a black hole. Then one of the pairs can escape as Hawking radiation and the other falling in. Shrinking the mass of the black hole over time, at a rate proportional to the surface area of the black hole.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
The problem with the OP's argument is that she does not understand energy. In physics energy is mostly bookkeeping. And it turns out that there is both positive energy, usually seen in the form of light or kinetic energy,, or mass itself since technically mass is energy, for positive energy, and usually seen in the form of gravitational potential energy for negative energy. Physicists have measured the total energy of the universe. And as closely as they can determine the total energy of the universe is zero. So a universe from nothing does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.


I can provide links and sources if people wish.
except that positive energy is not negative energy and gravity stems from a deformation of space/time itself according to Einstein's theories. So, bringing positive energy/mass together with what we would consider negative energy does not eliminate both, making a net result of zero in the form of nothing existing but instead represents a net change of entropy of zero. That is not nothing, that is something.
 
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