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Featured God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Trailblazer, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Veteran Member

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    That is your perception to which you are welcome.
    It is not what I say, it is how you interpret what I say. I am not implying anything about anyone else. I am just saying I consider it logic101.
    No, I am not implying that at all, that is what you believe I am implying, but you are wrong because you cannot read my mind..
    Yes it was, and that is what I thought at that time based upon what you were saying about the Baha'is. It is not as if I pulled that out of thin air. How is that disrespectful to express my own opinion?
     
  2. Trailblazer

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    I did not say that I have read the Bible in its entirety.

    I said: I consider the Bible "in its entirety" to be evidence of God, evidence that God exists.

    I do not NEED the Bible as evidence that God exists because I already know that God exists because of Baha'u'llah.
    I never even read one page of the Bible till I was 60 years old. That is how much I need the Bible.
     
  3. Trailblazer

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    No, there does not come any avoidance, because I answer every question posed to me.

    And if you ask me questions I do not have the answers to I tell you that.
     
    #2223 Trailblazer, Oct 17, 2020 at 11:03 PM
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    That is correct.
     
  5. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Yes we had many such events in this community.

    I see the flaw is only our own selves CG, it is unwise choices, but that is also part of this creation, so it is not really a flaw.

    The Seven Valleys and Four Valleys by Baha'u'llah offers this deep mediation from the Valley of Knowledge.

    ".... The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?” He beholdeth justice in injustice, and in justice, grace. In ignorance he findeth many a knowledge hidden, and in knowledge a myriad wisdoms manifest. He breaketh the cage of the body and the passions, and consorteth with the people of the immortal realm. He mounteth on the ladders of inner truth and hasteneth to the heaven of inner significance. He rideth in the ark of “we shall show them our signs in and journeyeth over the sea of “until it become plain to them that (this Book) is the truth.” And if he meeteth with injustice he shall have patience, and if he cometh upon wrath he shall manifest love..... "

    Regards Tony
     
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    There could be many reasons. Maybe some conditions need more faith, maybe faith/mind healing has some limitations, maybe it's karma/lesson or preincarnative decision...

    I believe the purpose of life(s) is to evolve spiritually, so it makes sense to pray for peace, unity, personal betterment... There's no point in praying for change and not trying to change but we still do it (sometimes myself included :oops:).
     
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    And this the problem. I never seen anybody in RF telling others that they don't have the right to believe in what they believe. So stop with all that BS.

    You make claims about things being true and it's only when others have shown that those things are not true, that's when you start doing your BS games. You go with the usual, "it's just my belief," or "I never said it was, it's just what I believe," or "I never said that." And those times when you denied saying things and say, "show me where said that." After posting one of your post that clearly show that you in fact did say it, what do do? Do you acknowledge that perhaps it was a mistake, worded wrong or misunderstood by others? No, denied saying that and insult those people as if they are stupid enough to easily be deceived by your denial. And whenever you make direct insults, when pointed out, you denied doing such things or worse, you disrespect even more by saying such things like, "it wasn't meant towards you specifically."

    It's disrespectful to acknowledge that you made an insult and act as if you're making an apology only to make another insult in your apology. Sooner or later, pretending to be a "good" person with deceptio by pretending to take responsibility for your actions while that very action is make another insult, will catch up to you. Saying something like, "that it wasn't meant towards you personally, it was toards atheists in general," right after I make a rebuttal to your argument, and have nothing relevant to what I just said, then it was directed to me. If it was towards atheists in general and I'm an atheist, then it is thrown at me using deception trying to hide it.

    **mod edit**
     
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  8. PAUL MARKHAM

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    Answer my question with a 1 visit or multiple. It doesn't take any teaching to know the difference.
     
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    So life on every planet doesn't mean life on every planet. Got it!!!!
     
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    So what happens when the one government is Nazis, ISIS, Religious Right, Putin, Trump, etc?
     
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    So what he wrote wasn't what he meant. Got it!!!!
     
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    I believe Bahaullah said they were prophets you now say men with these names existed I think they are modern names.

    Manifestation of God - Wikipedia
    There is no definitive list of Manifestations of God, but Baháʼu'lláh and ʻAbdu'l-Bahá referred to several personages as Manifestations; they include Adam, Noah, Krishna, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad.[19] The Báb, as well as Baháʼu'lláh, were included in this definition.[19] Thus religious history is interpreted as a series of periods or "dispensations", where each Manifestation brings a somewhat broader and more advanced revelation, suited for the time and place in which it was expressed.
     
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    So writing days when they mean years or decades or centuries or never is the real truth. Got it!!!!
     
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    We care because we don't want a society only ruled by your set of rules. There are numerous examples of why that is wrong and dangerous.

    If you want us to stop pointing out the flaws in your argument, then say it.
     
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    Stop the Harrasment of @Trailblazer and Baha’i, you have for 112 pages not had anything at all good to say, time to stop now.
     
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    Was Bahalullah doing anything outstanding when he predicted the rise and fall of empires? Considering all empires have risen and fallen it would seem not. His predictions were based on logic and were clear to everyone else to see.

    Is his aims something the world wants? Yes ad No.

    Universal peace is something most want, his recipe for getting it is flawed. Both by being unforced and unenforceable and leads to danger in the wrong hands.

    Some f his claims are pure fantasy and the devouts attempts t tell you he wrote one thing but meant another shows why they believe he was wrong.
     
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    You do not care about religion or its teaching, nor do you actually care what Bahaullah say in the Baha'i teaching, just because you disagree with what you think Baha'i teaching is, does not mean you have a right to harras anyone in RF the way you have done.

    From you become a member of RF until today, i have yet to see anything positive.
     
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  18. PAUL MARKHAM

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    Assuming there is a god sending us messages via selected people I ask. Is the method of sending messages flawed?

    1. If you want the world to follow one god you don't send messages to nobodies in nothing tribes. You send messages to leaders of great empires.

    2. You don't send messages to only one nobody, you send it to all the great leaders at once.

    Don't claim an all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipotent, etc god can't do that. He's supposed to be god,

    3. You send it in a form that can be easily explained, not in some way that only 1 nobody can understand and probably just dreamed. Even the devout are stumped on this.

    The mess we are in now shows the confusion that results, charlatans, fake mystics, nobodies, different messages, etc all saying they are right.

    So is there a god sending anything or a bunch of nobodies dreaming it up and trying to convince the world they are right? I'll leave that to the individual to decide. This is a criticism of all religions and not directed at one.
     
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    So now you telling God what to do?
     
  20. PAUL MARKHAM

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    I made my comment based on all religions.
     
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