God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

What Baha'u'llah wrote.

If atheists do not believe God exists, why do they talk about what God should do to prove He exists?
I am not referring to you, I am referring to other atheists who expect God to prove He exists to them personally.

No we expect a god to prove it exists, to all of us. It can tell us why it allowed Trump to win last time!!!

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, that is untrue. It means you accept whatever you determine is true after an independent investigation

So who will carry out the independent investigation?

Atheists
Catholics
Baha'is
Hindus
Muslims

Or is an individual's independent investigation good enough? Which we are all doing and finding our truth.

 

[Trailblazer]

So give us your evidence. Not someone said he exists, real evidence.

I posted the claims of Baha’u’llah and the evidence that supports the claims of Baha’u’llah on this thread:

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

 

[Trailblazer]

The reasons god should do those things are in my post.

To prove it exists.
To prove it's not a manmade concept.
If it exists to tell us which one is the right one.
If it exists to tell us which ones are manmade.
If it exists to tell us which messengers are the right ones.

The reasons for "Why" are many. The reasons for why he shouldn't are down to one, he's a manmade concept.

I asked: Why should God do the things that would convince you just because God is capable of doing those things?

You still have not told me the reasons why God SHOULD do that. What I am asking is why does God OWE you that?
Why shouldn't God require you to make all those determinations using your own innate intelligence and free will?

 

[Trailblazer]

So your proof is Bahaullah said it was so. No evidence here.

I know that there is a God and I know what God wants because of what Baha'u'llah wrote, but before believing that I had to determine if Baha'u'llah was speaking for God.

 

[Trailblazer]

You spend hours and hours here on RF trying to convince people Baha'u'llah is some sort of divine being. That's because you have a goal.

I have no such goal. I would like nothing better than for this thread to die so I can talk about something else, but I respond to posts that I receive because I consider that courteous.

 

[Trailblazer]

God has no wants, you said so.

I said God does not want anything for Himself, but God wants things for humans.

 

[Trailblazer]

The reason Trump lost was he is the worse possible candidate. If a better Republican candidate had been found with the same policies as Trump he would now be in the White house.

Why do you think another Republican candidate would have won?

 

[Trailblazer]

We have conducted an independent investigation of Baha'is policies and found them to be flawed. So do you want an independent investigation that finds the same thing?

Who is "we"? You mean you have conducted an independent investigation of Baha'is policies and found them to be flawed. That is a personal opinion, we all have those.

 

[Trailblazer]

Biden is now President because of god's purpose. So god allow Trump to win last time around?

Trump was also part of God's Purpose, because he was a stepping stone towards unity.
The darkest hour is just before the dawn.

 

[Trailblazer]

No we expect a god to prove it exists, to all of us. It can tell us why it allowed Trump to win last time!!!

Why should God prove He exists to everyone? That is the hundred-dollar question NO atheist can answer.

Trump won last time because he got more votes. God allowed that because God does not interfere with human free will.

 

[Trailblazer]

So who will carry out the independent investigation?

Atheists
Catholics
Baha'is
Hindus
Muslims

Or is an individual's independent investigation good enough? Which we are all doing and finding our truth.

If they want to know the truth, everyone should do their own independent investigation, independent of other people.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I posted the claims of Baha’u’llah and the evidence that supports the claims of Baha’u’llah on this thread:

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

Post the evidence here.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I asked: Why should God do the things that would convince you just because God is capable of doing those things?

You still have not told me the reasons why God SHOULD do that. What I am asking is why does God OWE you that?
Why shouldn't God require you to make all those determinations using your own innate intelligence and free will?

If proving it exists to the entire world isn't good enough I guess we have to conclude it's not real.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I know that there is a God and I know what God wants because of what Baha'u'llah wrote, but before believing that I had to determine if Baha'u'llah was speaking for God.

And you can't be wrong.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I have no such goal. I would like nothing better than for this thread to die so I can talk about something else, but I respond to posts that I receive because I consider that courteous.

Who said you only post in this thread?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I said God does not want anything for Himself, but God wants things for humans.

So your mythical god does have wants.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Who is "we"? You mean you have conducted an independent investigation of Baha'is policies and found them to be flawed. That is a personal opinion, we all have those.

We is meant to mean all the people here and all the people who have looked at Bahaullah and rejected him.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

If they want to know the truth, everyone should do their own independent investigation, independent of other people.

People have done their own investigation and rejected him.
Or is it only a few here?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Trump was also part of God's Purpose, because he was a stepping stone towards unity.
The darkest hour is just before the dawn.

So god elected Trump.