1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Genie in a Cross: Popular Cleric Abdul Somad Reported to Police for Mocking Christian Symbol

Discussion in 'Religious News' started by danieldemol, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,530
    Ratings:
    +2,787
    Religion:
    Baha'i inspired liberal
    ‘Jakarta. Abdul Somad, a popular Islamic cleric, is facing a series of blasphemy charges after a video went viral showing him telling a crowd that the Christian crucifix is the dwelling place for an "infidel jinn."

    Blasphemy accusations on a preacher of Islam, the religion of over 80 percent of Indonesians, has put a new spin on the country's problematic blasphemy law, which in the past has mostly been used to prosecute members of religious minorities.

    The video, which was uploaded on Saturday, showed the cleric talking about the figure of Jesus on the cross to a rapt audience.

    "A woman asked me once, 'Why do I get the chills whenever I think about a crucifix?' Because there is an infidel jinn in the crucifix, because of the statue [of Christ] on it [...]. We should never worship a statue," Somad said in the video.

    "If we [Muslims] had to stay in a hospital and we see a crucifix there, cover it up, or we will die as an infidel. We should not let ourselves be transported in an ambulance with a crucifix on it, or let people sing 'Hallelujah' to us. God forbid, we would die as an infidel," he said in the video.’

    Read more here: Genie in a Cross: Popular Cleric Abdul Somad Reported to Police for Mocking Christian Symbol
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    170,826
    Ratings:
    +53,875
    Religion:
    Bokononism & Atheism
    People be crazy.
     
  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    29,624
    Ratings:
    +11,690
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    I see this is coming from Indonesia. Kind of explains it.

    Stuck on an island and all that.
     
  4. Stevicus

    Stevicus Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    14,018
    Ratings:
    +7,235
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    I don't know too much about genies, other than what I've learned from I Dream of Jeannie. But considering that she managed to turn an honorable and decent astronaut and Air Force officer into an evil oil tycoon, then maybe genies are not all that they're cracked up to be.
     
  5. Left Coast

    Left Coast Plant-Based Plebeian
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2019
    Messages:
    3,849
    Ratings:
    +4,887
    Religion:
    Buddhish
    I'm not sure which is more ridiculous - this guy's religious views or the fact that he's being charged with a crime for them.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  6. ecco

    ecco Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2016
    Messages:
    11,271
    Ratings:
    +5,550
    Religion:
    atheist
    To me, neither is ridiculous. Both are very scary.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    51,035
    Ratings:
    +21,806
    Religion:
    Love
    Some quotes utterly stick in my mind because of how true they are

    [​IMG]
     
  8. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,530
    Ratings:
    +2,787
    Religion:
    Baha'i inspired liberal
    For most of it I agree with what you say, but for the last line about not letting people sing hallelujah to you I wondered if that qualifies as hate speech because it seems to be advocating taking away another groups freedom of speech on religious grounds.

    That being said the charge of blasphemy is utterly ridiculous.
     
  9. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    30,919
    Ratings:
    +16,020
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival / Left-Hand Path
    "Hallelujah" means "praise to God" if I remember correctly so I don't know what his problem is with it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    2,584
    Ratings:
    +1,161
    Religion:
    Catholicism
    The cynic in me doubts the ulema would be calling for such restraint had the roles been reversed.
     
Loading...