genetic evidence of ADAM?

[Comet]

Wells, the genetic specialist did not mention Mitochondrial eve in his summary.
He did mention that other Human/primate species existed before modern man. So I would have to presume that mitochondrial eve would be from one of those other species. Wells has traced the human lineage back through men that we know of in our modern history and time. i.e. Genghis Khan, Thomas Jefferson, King Solomon to mention a few. He has followed modern mans known lineage.
The evidence he has collated is compelling and to dispel his findings as rubbish...
I believe would be an error on our part.
Question: Have any of you that are so adamant that there is no GOD ever considered the possibility that you could be wrong?
What I suggest to you is to be open to any possibility as more truths are revealled to humanity the shock will be less.

If you believe God created man, I assume you believe he made Eve from Adam's rib. Again, you hit a problem if Eve is older than Adam.....

 

[Comet]

Wait a minute, if she lived before “Adam” shouldn’t we be refering to her as “mitrocondrial Lilith”?

One can only assume Lilith wasn't asexual either, so it would stand to reason that if Lilith's line survived; there were males before "Adam".

 

[Smoke]

Question: Have any of you that are so adamant that there is no GOD ever considered the possibility that you could be wrong?
What I suggest to you is to be open to any possibility as more truths are revealled to humanity the shock will be less.

I can't imagine what you think that has to do with Y-chromosomal Adam.

 

[fantome profane]

I have to say that what this person is trying to do with the OP is really pathetic. First he has presented evidence suggesting that it is evidence for his religious beliefs, then it has been demonstrated that he does not understand the evidence, then he claims that those who do have an adequate understanding of what this evidence indicates are narrow-minded because they do share his religious beliefs.

 

[painted wolf]

The misconceptions are fairly typical.
They did the same thing when they discovered mtDNA "eve".

Naturally they keep quiet about her now because she predates Y chromosome "adam" by tens of thousands of years. Throws the whole bible thing right off.
Unless the Bible simply gets things backwards.

The truth is this kind of study makes the religious very uncomfortable. It shows how one member of a population can spread their genes and eventually change a whole species. So they just ignore it.

wa:do

ps. for those interested Spencer Wells in his own words as he gives a roughly 20 minute talk on his research. Spencer Wells builds a family tree for humanity | Video on TED.com

 

[crystalonyx]

Genetic Adam's father's Y-chromosomal patrilineal line has died out. Meaning somewhere along the line all the males in it fathered only daughters, or had no children. His mother, like all of us, can be traced to Genetic Eve, who lived 80,000 years earlier.

Pretty tough proof, since all we are talking about here is statistical analysis, with a given percentage of error.

 

[Alceste]

No, that is impossible. “Genetic Adam”' and “Genetic Adam’ Father” share the same patrilineal line. That is what patrilineal line means. What you are saying makes as much sense as saying your father had no children.

The reason that his father is not given the title of “Genetic Adam” or “Y-chromosomal Adam” is because that title goes to the most recent common ancestor through the patrilineal line. If not for that most recent stipulation then “Genetic Adam’ Father” would also qualify, as would his father’s father etc.

Wait a minute, if she lived before “Adam” shouldn’t we be refering to her as “mitrocondrial Lilith”?

Whoops, yes of course. My bad. I suppose was thinking of his contemporaries, not his ancestors.

On the topic of Lilith, I've been unable to find her story in Genesis (although I grant my attention span for the bible is limited). Can you tell me where it appears? Not related to this conversation, really, but I have always been curious.

 

[painted wolf]

Some quick info on Lilith. Lilith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lilith isn't a good replacement for Eve in this case. Lilith was not the mother of humanity while mtDNA "eve" clearly influenced our genes. She is loosely (metaphorically) speaking the mother Y-chromosome "adam". (Actually his grandmother by more than 2000 generations)

wa:do
*edit* woops, I got the right link up now.

 

[Elessar]

No, this is not proof of the existence of Adam. Personally, I still believe that he existed, but this doesn't prove it, and I don't expect science to be able to prove my faith. Anyone who wants that should pick a religion outside of Abrahamism.

 

[rojse]

I have to say that what this person is trying to do with the OP is really pathetic. First he has presented evidence suggesting that it is evidence for his religious beliefs, then it has been demonstrated that he does not understand the evidence, then he claims that those who do have an adequate understanding of what this evidence indicates are narrow-minded because they do share his religious beliefs.

That's a pretty neat summary of the entire thread, Fantôme Profane.

 

[leahrachelle]

Did anyone catch that DNA mystery: search for ADAM... on National geographic tonight 8th Feb?
A man called Wells has genetically proven that ALL men on earth are linked to one single man, Wells called him scientific ADAM.
With a complex analysis of genetics they estimate that Scientific ADAM lived approx 60 000 years ago. Some where in east Africa... Near Ethiopia

Does this mean they have more Proof that GOD made man???
Anyone else see it.

Dont we just love contraversy

That doesn't make sense..
There have been several species of upright walking mammals that we have evolved from, and they existed WAY more than 60,000 years ago...

 

[crystalonyx]

This has nothing to do with a "creation event", simply a statistical analysis of possible genetic ancestors. Has nothing whatsover to do with the fictional Adam and Eve story in the Xian bible.