Gaza-Israel: for the record

[Revoltingest]

Personally, I find it more than a bit naive both to attempt to attribute decisive agency to the US in this conflict and to disregard the role of so-called religion to it.

I find it more than a bit evil to justify
Israel's human rights violations &
war crimes.

 

[LuisDantas]

I find it more than a bit evil to justify
Israel's human rights violations &
war crimes.

So do I. Good for me that I am not proposing that, eh?

 

[Heyo]

How is it a "proxy war"?
To me that would mean USA is using Israel
against the Palestinians or Hamas. Instead,
USA is merely supporting Israel...serivilely.

It is a proxy war in the sense that foreign interests support both sides with weapons and politically. Without that support the war would end by lack of weapons and ammunition.

 

[Revoltingest]

So do I. Good for me that I am not proposing that, eh?

Your posts suggest otherwise.
It appears we differ on just what constitutes
oppression & war crimes. Watching the BBC
simultaneously, I see Israel bombed another
refugee camp with an air strike. It was one
that Israel didn't demand they leave.

Israel is Hamas's biggest recruiting agency.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is a proxy war in the sense that foreign interests support both sides with weapons and politically. Without that support the war would end by lack of weapons and ammunition.

A proxy war is different from that.

proxy war — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

"A war where two powers use third parties as a supplement to, or a substitute for fighting each other directly."

Other countries aren't using Israel to fight Palestinians.
They're supporting Israel as a sacred ally, without
Palestinian death & destruction being their goal.
That goal is singularly Israel's.

Instead of "proxy war", this is the "tail wagging the dog".
Israel = Tail
USA et al = Dogs

 

[LuisDantas]

Your posts suggest otherwise.
It appears we differ on just what constitutes
oppression & war crimes. Watching the BBC
simultaneously, I see Israel bombed another
refugee camp with an air strike. It was one
that Israel didn't demand they leave.

Israel is Hamas's biggest recruiting agency.

More like I am not very willing to find excuses for Hamas, I would think.

That, or you are so passionate about doing just that that you can't avoid seeing people doing the same for Israel no matter what.

I could care more about which is it. Right now it is difficult to.

 

[Revoltingest]

More like I am not very willing to find excuses for Hamas, I would think.

I don't excuse them either.
Are you excusing Israel's many decades of human
rights violations, & now their war crimes?

I seek to understand what motivates them to attack
Israel. This is necessary to craft a solution. If all Israel
& its apologists care about is blaming Hamas, they're
doomed to perpetual war.

That, or you are so passionate about doing just that that you can't avoid seeing people doing the same for Israel no matter what.

If you pay attention to news, you see that
their situations & behavior aren't the same.
It's also necessary to observe the history of
how Israel treats Palestinians to see why
Hamas exists.

 

[Sargonski]

It is a proxy war in the sense that foreign interests support both sides with weapons and politically. Without that support the war would end by lack of weapons and ammunition.

Yeah .. but Hamas not getting much support. .. so not much of a Proxy - need to arm Hamas like Ukraine was armed against the foreign occupier .. which would end the war real quick.

 

[Little Dragon]

I'll respond to that non sequitur with another....

Deadly Israel strike on Gaza ambulance convoy sparks condemnation

An Israeli strike on a Gaza ambulance convoy has killed 15 people, Palestinian medics said Saturday, spurring concerns for health workers' safety as Israel accused Hamas of using the vehicles to transport fighters.Hamas denied that its fighters had been inside the vehicles, which it said were...

news.yahoo.com

Ambulances should be bombed because it's
possible that one of the health car workers or
patients might be in Hamas?

Israel has killed 9,200 so far.
Hamas killed 1,400.
Current kill ratio: 6.6

That attack was outrageous, there is no excuse for it, it's a war crime.
I fear that the Israeli leadership may have gone insane.

 

[Little Dragon]

Yeah .. but Hamas not getting much support. .. so not much of a Proxy - need to arm Hamas like Ukraine was armed against the foreign occupier .. which would end the war real quick.

Arm the terrorists who triggered this latest and extremely deadly round of violence?

How about no?

 

[Sargonski]

More like I am not very willing to find excuses for Hamas, I would think.

That, or you are so passionate about doing just that that you can't avoid seeing people doing the same for Israel no matter what.

I could care more about which is it. Right now it is difficult to.

LOL .. its more like you are desperate to find excuses for the Israeli's I would think.. a much tougher challenge to be sure.

 

[Sargonski]

Arm the terrorists who triggered this latest and extremely deadly round of violence?

How about no?

I agree we should stop arming Israel .. the terrorist who triggered this latest and extremely deadly round of violence.

 

[Revoltingest]

That attack was outrageous, there is no excuse for it, it's a war crime.
I fear that the Israeli leadership may have gone insane.

And the military, with the rampant civilian death, sexual assault, etc.
These are "God's Chosen People".
Imagine how much more heinous atheists would be.
Oh....wait...we wouldn't wage a scorched Earth religious war.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is a proxy war in the sense that foreign interests support both sides with weapons and politically. Without that support the war would end by lack of weapons and ammunition.

Without Iron Dome Israel would be rendered unlivable while the Arab/Jewish ratio could well portend a slaughter of historic proportions.

 

[Revoltingest]

Without Iron Dome Israel would be rendered unlivable...

As Israel is doing to Gaza.

 

[LuisDantas]

LOL .. its more like you are desperate to find excuses for the Israeli's I would think.. a much tougher challenge to be sure.

You are a lousy, lousy guesser.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is a proxy war in the sense that foreign interests support both sides with weapons and politically. Without that support the war would end by lack of weapons and ammunition.

We all live in the same planet. There is no magical fence or anything making any so-called country protected from the existence of other countries. And it works both ways; most if not all countries have genuine reasons to want to talk and make exchanges with others.

To expect otherwise is to forget how artificial countries are to begin with.

 

[Shaul]

Just to be clear, the USA Today Op-Ed

Israel blockade of Gaza is inhumane despite ghastly attack by Hamas​

is, in my opinion, an admirable reflection of my position on the current conflict.

More inhumane than beheading babies?

 

[Sargonski]

You are a lousy, lousy guesser.

No guessing needed - much more difficult challenge apologizing for Israli atrocity - war crimes - crimes against humanity .. and good luck to you friend

 

[Sargonski]

More inhumane than beheading babies?

PLenty more inhumane .. not difficult that to figure out .. specially since were no beheaded babies .. but even if there were .. WAy Way Way more inhuman than a little child sacrifice .. .. Orders of magnitude .. well OK .. maybe 1 order .. 2 is pushing the Joke a bit ...rrrr