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[Shad]

*LOL* Whooosh!

Wrong. Read my comment again. It shot down your attempt at criticism. via comparison. All you have demonstrated is my point went right over your head. Try again son.

 

[esmith]

I'm pretty sure you can't say Poof on RF, its a form of hate speech

Fixed.
But the last time I checked the definition of "poof" is
Source
Dictionary result for poof
/po͝of,po͞of/
exclamation

1. 1.
   used to convey the suddenness with which someone or something disappears.
   "once you've used it, poof—it's gone"
2. 2.
   used to express contemptuous dismissal.
   "“Oh, poof!” said Will. “You say that every year.

So where did you come up with your definition.

 

[Valjean]

I don't understand this deontological obsession with "law." Law doesn't determine morality, or right and wrong.
Doesn't one have a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws?

The US was born of a rejection of law; of an assertion of universal "natural rights."

Considering this popular, and often government supported, obsession with legally skirting human rights, legal rights, "Christian values" and, indeed, American Values, I can only conclude a certain portion of the population is amoral, at best, and more motivated by xenophobia and tribalism than by compassion, fairness, or, indeed, any concept of human rights.

Neither race, nationality, nor location have any effect on our moral obligation to others.
Law doesn't trump the Golden Rule.

 

[esmith]

I don't understand this deontological obsession with "law." Law doesn't determine morality, or right and wrong.
Doesn't one have a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws?

The US was born of a rejection of law; of an assertion of universal "natural rights."

Considering this popular, and often government supported, obsession with legally skirting human rights, legal rights, "Christian values" and, indeed, American Values, I can only conclude a certain portion of the population is amoral, at best, and more motivated by xenophobia and tribalism than by compassion, fairness, or, indeed, any concept of human rights.

Neither race, nationality, nor location have any effect on our moral obligation to others.
Law doesn't trump the Golden Rule.

Without laws there is chaos.
If we did not have laws what would stop someone for not treating someone as they would wish to be treated?
I believe it is something called consequences not the "golden rule".

 

[Jose Fly]

Considering this popular, and often government supported, obsession with legally skirting human rights, legal rights, "Christian values" and, indeed, American Values, I can only conclude a certain portion of the population is amoral, at best, and more motivated by xenophobia and tribalism than by compassion, fairness, or, indeed, any concept of human rights.

Neither race, nationality, nor location have any effect on our moral obligation to others.
Law doesn't trump the Golden Rule.

IMO, modern US conservatism has become a white Christian identity movement. It was headed that way before (especially after the election of Obama) and Trump just pushed it over the edge.

 

[Shad]

I don't understand this deontological obsession with "law." Law doesn't determine morality, or right and wrong.
Doesn't one have a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws?

Just laws are typically seen as coming from a moral code thus maintain and enforce said code.

Yes.

Considering this popular, and often government supported, obsession with legally skirting human rights, legal rights, "Christian values" and, indeed, American Values, I can only conclude a certain portion of the population is amoral, at best, and more motivated by xenophobia and tribalism than by compassion, fairness, or, indeed, any concept of human rights.

This is too simplistic of a view and assumes too much regarding the actors involved. More so you are assuming two moral compasses in which those that disagree with you have an inferior one based on your own thoughts of what that compass is and the why behind their reasons.

Neither race, nationality, nor location have any effect on our moral obligation to others.
Law doesn't trump the Golden Rule.

If the law is just and applicable to the individual should it be enforced?

The law in the OP, regardless of the immunity for sponsors, is about a moral obligation to the child.

 

[Lyndon]

Fixed.
But the last time I checked the definition of "poof" is
Source
Dictionary result for poof
/po͝of,po͞of/
exclamation

1. 1.
   used to convey the suddenness with which someone or something disappears.
   "once you've used it, poof—it's gone"
2. 2.
   used to express contemptuous dismissal.
   "“Oh, poof!” said Will. “You say that every year.

So where did you come up with your definition.

its the british equivalent of fxggot

 

[esmith]

its the british equivalent of fxggot

Last time I checked we do not speak "British".
And this is the "North American Politics" forum not the "European Politics" forum.

 

[Lyndon]

bollocks!! this is an international forum.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Without laws there is chaos.
If we did not have laws what would stop someone for not treating someone as they would wish to be treated?
I believe it is something called consequences not the "golden rule".

Laws are not bad. Traditionalism is. A legal system where law justifies itself is not one that actually is based on consequences. It's based on authoritarianism.
Laws can be unjust, unjust laws should not be followed.

 

[Valjean]

Without laws there is chaos.
If we did not have laws what would stop someone for not treating someone as they would wish to be treated?
I believe it is something called consequences not the "golden rule".

I agree, but what are the laws based on? Are they based on fairness, equality, human rights and compassion, or the protection of a particular tribal ethic, irrespective of consequence?

 

[esmith]

I agree, but what are the laws based on? Are they based on fairness, equality, human rights and compassion, or the protection of a particular tribal ethic, irrespective of consequence?

Just whatever I think is right, correct?