Trailblazer
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They identify Jesus to YOU, but they identify Baha’u’llah to ME.I said that the NT applies prophecies to Jesus and Baha'u'llah/Baha'i says they are about Baha'u'llah. Eg that the one who sits on the throne of David forever is Baha'u'llah in Isa 9:6,7. That the one who is given a Kingdom that will not pass away and will rule forever (Dan 7:13,14) is Baha'u'llah. (see Luke 1:32 where it says it is Jesus who is the one who sits on the throne of David forever and that His Kingdom will not pass away).
That Baha'u'llah is the one spoken of in Isa 53 when the NT says it applies to Jesus. (see Acts 8:26-40)
That Baha'u'llah is the Branch from Jesse (Isa 11) which is Jesus in the NT (Romans 15:12 etc)
And no doubt there are others. And there are also things associated with these identities, things which these identities will do which Baha'u'llah wants for himself but which have also gone to Jesus in the NT because the NT identifies Jesus as the one prophesied about in those places.
Please tell me why it matters who applies which prophecies to who? Do you see any other Christians talking about this?
Baha’u’llah was either who he claimed to be or not. That is the bottom line. You can believe what you believe about them applying to Jesus and I can believe what I believe about then applying to Baha’u’llah, but what we believe will not change reality. If God sent Baha’u’llah He did, and there is nothing you can do about it, and if not, then you have nothing to worry about.
The prophecies are the least of your problems because your interpreting them they way you believe they should be interpreted won’t get rid of the Baha’i Faith.
It is said that Queen Victoria, upon reading the Tablet revealed for her by Baha'u'llah, remarked: "If this is of God, it will endure; if not, it can do no harm." (pdc 65) (18:49)
From: 2nd Coming of Christ by David Yamartino
But you cannot count them as fulfilled until Jesus comes back and fulfilled them. That is like me writing checks on a bank account that has no money in it hoping someone is going to come along and deposit money into my account before the checks bounce.I don't need to worry about prophecies that Jesus has not fulfilled yet because He has not come back yet to fulfil them.
If you are so sure of that then why are we still having this conversation? Are you trying to convince the people on the forum? Because by now you know you are not going to convince me.The Messiah died and rose again and is sitting at the right hand of God till all His enemies are placed under His feet. (Psalm 110 and applied to Jesus by Jesus (Matt 22:24) and others in the epistles and Acts etc) and will return to fulfil everything.
No Baha’is are a bit worried. Baha’u’llah came and went and all the prophecies related to the return of Christ and the Messiah have all been fulfilled.It is Baha'i and you who should be worried about those prophecies that Jesus has not yet fulfilled because Baha'u'llah came and went and not one of them was fulfilled.
William Sears, Thief in the Night
As I said in a previous post, Baha’u’llah was not slated by God to fulfill the Messianic prophecies Himself, and no scriptures say that is what would happen.
You are again misinterpreting the Bible, which is what Christians do. Jesus is not returning to raise the dead and take His disciples with Him because people who have been dead for 2000 years do not rise from the dead. That belief is based upon a gross misinterpretation of the Bible.John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
No, it is certainly Jesus who said that.
So with your interpretation you are denying that anyone could come back to get the disciples Jesus was speaking to. You are again denying the Bible,,,,,,,,,,,,,which is what Baha'is do. Jesus is returning to raise the dead and take His disciples with Him.
So you believe that the disciples are just going to rise out of their graves and Jesus is going to carry them through the air to heaven. It is really hard to believe people believe such things.
I do not know what this verse means and neither does any Christian. I surmise it means that the Spirit of Jesus would come back so the disciples could be with Jesus in heaven, since that is where they are. Only their bodies are buried under the ground; their souls have long departed.
I believe that ALL of those verses refer to Baha’u’llah who was the return of the Son of Man.Rev 1:5-8 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
1Thess 3:12 And may the Lord cause you to increase and overflow with love for one another and for everyone else, just as our love for you overflows, 13 so that He may establish your hearts in blamelessness and holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.
2Thess 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels
Matt 25:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations:
Luke 9:22“The Son of Man must suffer many things,” He said. “He must be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”
etc etc