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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Dec 23, 2018.

  1. Workman

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    IT is the problem knowing of by the tree of knowledge! IT creates one own knowledge in being smart, and destroying in ones whole reasons owing why to understanding!

    Take a step back and see! The many are not here to share an understanding, they are here to prove why they know better than the other!.

    When you know yourselves then you will become known, And you will understand that you are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourself, your dwell in poverty, and IT is you who are that poverty!
     
  2. SonOfElElyon

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    Or you wake up and realize that you're eternal and remember a bunch of stuff you wish you didn't and come to realize human wisdom/knowledge is that, that is gained in a humans lifetime. So you realize that you have died because you don't want to be who you are because the higher up the hierarchy you are the more of a servant you are to everyone else you are and the less free will you have. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
     
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    Look at some of the responses. You wake up and remember you are actually eternal, you know about the tree of knowledge and the sons of living father.

    These people have no idea what they are talking about. They are babbling. Free will can be explored scientifically and it has nothing to do with books written thousands of years ago or ancient prophecies. Our entire modern civilization is built on science barely 500 years old.
     
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    people don't do what they don't find attractive in their own minds. and if they do do something that they find unworthy of them, they despise their doing
     
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    How did you come to this conclusion?
     
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    you, you're taking this way to personal
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about. You made a claim but your justification for the claim is nonsensical. If you can't support your claim why make it?
     
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    are you trying to prove that to me, or yourself?

    because a truth doesn't work for one and not another. there are certain aspects of the psyche that scientist can't control, belief being one of them. until a person has an experience, they are all agnostic.some will ignore the obvious and hold on to their belief, or i don't know and continue to hold to their belief and i don't really want to know.
     
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    In a thread entitled Free Will I asked how you formed a conclusion and you replied it was because of me and your perception that I was taking the argument personally therefore you had no free will but to form said conclusion. You do realize that is nonsense?
     
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    no i realize you're proving the point. you keep claiming i answered because you asked. i didn't have to, i chose to. there is a difference. you're the agnostic. anything can influence someone but it doesn't mean that it does all the time. people ignore conditions all the time to their regret/happiness. some people operate from their inner ideas; which is adverse to outer influences.

    i don't have to be a victim, or reaction to everything
     
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    I am agnostic about free will. My research has led me to believe that what you ignore or embrace and what you do or do not do comes before the conscious processing of your actions. That doesn't mean conscious processing is useless. I believe the results are most likely reintegrated and used after the fact so in some sense you might have some form of free will. It is probably not at all like what you think it is though.

    IMO
     
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    belief is a powerful thing. it leads all kinds of people to believe absolutes exist in science, or their minds. strangely enough, when people "choose" to test them further or again, they change their sense of reality to something unlike what they think/believe it was.

    the only Absolute is that there are no absolutes.
     
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    No...
     
  14. aurisadhibeo

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    Beliefs are quite powerful. Many things could cause a person to question their beliefs. You are insisting its because everyone on the planet is free to choose to examine them regardless of their experiences and circumstances. I disagree but I admire the romantic in you.
     
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    we're either free or a slave.

    Roy Batty: Quite an experience to live in fear, isn’t it? That’s what it is to be a slave. sometimes they look alike but act differently


    love is a service. fear is a bondage
     
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    Did you choose to be born? Did you choose when? Did you choose your parents or the language you speak? Did you choose your station in life? Are you not Bill Gates because that seems boring and you would rather be a Surgeon working 100 hours a week on call full time saving people's lives? When do you begin choosing things?
     
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    For the many(science) in questions!

    You will never find peace within your words, only pride and madness! In being ones imprisonment.

    The Too many questions will confuse in the one!
    Therefore Forgetting if ones answer
    Does not exist!

    Be great full and appreciate oneself.
    One must accept one(1), and not two(2)..Being in two will create billions and their questions with it, and for one! it will not be for unless!
    YOU see IT/end!
     
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    if the following is true, then yes. Information is nothing but a collection of knowledge; which is what most major belief systems believe survives. mind is everything


    https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html
     
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    Absolutely-not lol
     
  20. aurisadhibeo

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    Oddly you are right and wrong. For anyone on this planet their mind, beliefs and choices are everything to them. How closely they attach to that experience and what it means before that experience started and after it ends is the part I think you are getting tied up in. Einstein made many brilliant discoveries and yet his theory doesnt meld with the quantum world so it's probably incomplete. He declared his greatest blunder as something that is now considered to be likely accurate.

    Information is nothing but a collection of knowledge is a bit daft for even me to not call out though. Go back 1000 years and what were the humans doing... go back 500, now 400, 300, 200... Is this collection of knowledge allowing us to travel to the moon and fly in the skies and increasing our life spans? I also don't care what you believe when you show up in the operating room everyone will try to save you based on the knowledge and skills they have practiced and learned.

    The mind is everything for you but for us as a planet we need more than whats in your head. (Or anyones head for that matter... We all need each other)
     
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