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FIVE FLOOD STORIES

sooda

Veteran Member
Long before the Bible was written, The Flood was a blockbuster of the ancient Mesopotamian and Mediterranean worlds. It originated in Sumer over 4000 years ago.

New versions were deposited in the greatest imperial libraries of the Mesopotamian empires (Babylonia and Assyria). The Biblical authors fashioned their own versions of the tale, and post-biblical authors continued to ruminate on its potential for meaning-making.

The Flood found its proper place in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and flood stories crop up in Hindu, American Indian, and African story-telling as well.

The first known flood story comes from Sumer in the tale of Atra-hasis (19th century, BCE). This story sets the basic elements of the ancient genre: gods try to eradicate humanity, while a flood hero builds a boat to save the animals. A tragicomedy about polytheism starring petty gods who complain like tired parents annoyed by their noisy children. With plans to destroy a boisterous humanity, they are thwarted not once but three times by the flood hero’s personal god and eminent trickster, Enki.

With each divine attempt at total genocide, Enki gives the flood hero secret knowledge about which god to appease with a sacrifice. This worked against the first two rounds of disease and drought. However, Enki had to get creative for the third and final attempt. For the deluge, Enki instructs the flood hero to build a boat for family and fauna.

In this Sumerian version, the gods, like bickering politicians, provide plenty of comic relief. But two characters communicate the tragedy of the flood event: (1) the womb goddess who fashioned humanity cries: “How could I join the gods and command total destruction? I am locked in a house of lamentation.” (2) The flood hero, with scant few lines, cries: “How long will the gods make us suffer…will they make us suffer forever?”

Cruel and petty powers govern human fate, and with the exception of Enki, the gods could care less about the plight of humanity upon the earth.

If Atra-hasis paid only lip-service to the tragic, existential questions of the flood hero, the Epic of Gilgamesh shines a light on the flood hero’s excruciating experience. Dated somewhere between 1200-900 BCE, the Mesopotamian epic says little about the divine drama. We only hear that “the hearts of the gods were moved to inflict the flood.”

The rest of the tale focuses on the flood hero, who builds an ark in a brave abandonment of his wealth: “tear down the house and build a boat; abandon wealth and seek living beings; spurn possessions and keep alive living beings.”

He not only rescues his family and the animals from the deluge, he saves his workers, the craftsmen, who helped him build his boat. The moral suppleness of the flood hero crescendos with his first reaction to the post-flood world. Stepping into a sun beam, looking out the window of his ark, he sees that all humanity returned to clay, and with tears streaming down the lines of his face, he slumps down weeping.

The biblical account owes much to the Gilgamesh version in numerous nit-picky details, but not in ethos or theme. Noah never feels anything in the biblical account. Noah doesn’t even have any lines until he curses his grandson in the last chapter of the story. If Noah experienced anguish, we don’t know about it.

Noah did not give up the status of wealth or pay any mind to the genocide outside his boat. Instead, every single one of Noah’s actions fulfills a command given him by the dominant character, God.

When it comes to Noah, the Qur’anic depiction as exemplar of obedience is on point. He is an emissary, a prophet who penetrates reality with a perfect understanding of the Sacred. His exemplary ability to follow divine commands marks him as a “true messenger of Allah.”

While Islamic tradition focuses on the character of Noah, the Genesis Flood is entirely about God, about a new monotheistic construal of both divine judgment and the pro-human reversal of that judgment. With no comedy to speak of, God sees human behavior, regrets that he made humans, overwhelms them with a flood, changes his mind about how to manage human behavior, and needs the rainbow as a reminder not to fly off the divine handle at them in the future.

Along with the character of God and this newly minted monotheism, the biblical authors take up the problem The Flood attempts to solve. Human violence in the antediluvian world, best represented by Cain’s murder of Abel, springs from the evil machinations of man.

After the flood, God issues the first religious law. It’s about blood and ultimately about being responsible for the blood you shed (animal and human blood). When Darren Aronofsky’s Noah depicts the ground saturated with blood, he’s hit a major theme of the Genesis Flood. In Aronofsky’s cities of Cain, both animal and human blood run wet over the ground with impunity, and Russell Crowe’s red feet show us the meaning of a world gone bad.

The biblical Flood emphasizes the unique role humans played in corrupting the earth. In contrast, the post-biblical tradition of Enochic Judaism lays blame on a human civilization that was corrupted by supernatural forces.

Society is shot through with war, industry, and vainglory, all of which were taught by fallen angels. Called Watchers, these divine dissidents not only gave nascent humans the wrong advice about building their world, they ravished human women to produce destructive giants who cannibalize each other and wreak nothing but military havoc over the land.

The Enochic Flood has a major job to do. This is a world of cultural decay, upturned by massively destructive forces of real consequence and fantastic origin. The Flood itself is hardly reported, but Enochic readers can rest assured in its justification.
If the story of Enoch’s Watchers cleanses society, the Hindu flood myth cleanses the mind.

The ancient Hindu scriptures emphasize a novel feature of The Flood: enlightenment. In the Mahabharata (and later in the Puranas), the flood hero rides out the deluge in a boat with animals just like Noah. But Manu, the Hindu protagonist of the Flood, does not bring his family; rather he is joined by seven sages. The fish that pulls the boat reveals himself at the end as the deity, Brahma, who teaches them austerities so they might acquire power over illusions. The Hindu flood hero emerges with new insight and wisdom.

With such an ancient and cross-cultural pedigree, among the earliest stories written down by civilized humans, The Flood is less like a fixed tale etched on a tablet and more like an arrow, shooting through time. Indeed, it shoots straight to the heart of what it means to be human. The Flood forces us to grapple with the deeply impersonal forces of the universe that are set against human civilization. It is a story about the end of an age, a massive transition.

And in the flood hero, we have a basic personality type, someone who cannot reconcile himself to the world as it currently stands, who does not feel at home. And though epically and in some cases tragically destructive, The Flood is also about healing.

With Noah, Darren Aronofsky has joined himself to a powerful and creative stream of religious meaning-making offering numerous throw-backs, references, and truly novel innovations on the Great Flood story. This may be a biblical re-telling or it may not be, but it most certainly is a Flood story. Noah is The Flood. This is our world and this is our story. Or if it’s not, write another one.



http://religiondispatches.org/five-flood-stories-you-didnt-know-about/
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Ancient Egyptians carrying on with life and ignoring Noah's Flood is a bit like how the people of Ancient Sumer must have felt when God suddenly turned up to "create the world" around 4000 BC.

As The Onion says: "The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else."
 

sooda

Veteran Member
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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Long before the Bible was written, The Flood was a blockbuster of the ancient Mesopotamian and Mediterranean worlds. It originated in Sumer over 4000 years ago.

Well, the Bible’s record of the Event dates it at over 4,300 years ago. That’s to be expected; no surprise there. It would be a memorable event, and it’s reflected in the lore of numerous cultures.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well, the Bible’s record of the Event dates it at over 4,300 years ago. That’s to be expected; no surprise there. It would be a memorable event, and it’s reflected in the lore of numerous cultures.

Actually it dates to 2900 BC in the spring when rising rivers from mountain snowmelt and heavy rains caused the flood.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
"Then at last, Noah sailed; and none too soon, for the Ark was only just sinking out of sight on the horizon when the monsters [the dinosaurs] arrived, and added their lamentations to those of the multitude of weeping fathers and mothers and frightened little children who were clinging to the wave-washed rocks in the pouring rain and lifting imploring prayers to an All-Just and All-Forgiving and All-Pitying Being who had never answered a prayer since those crags were builded, grain by grain, out of the sands, and would still not have answered one when the ages should have crumbled them to sand again."
- Mark Twain, Letter V of "Letters From The Earth" (1909).
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Early people lived near water. Floods were a common catastrophe and would be expected to figure prominently in folklore.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Long before the Bible was written, The Flood was a blockbuster of the ancient Mesopotamian and Mediterranean worlds. It originated in Sumer over 4000 years ago.

New versions were deposited in the greatest imperial libraries of the Mesopotamian empires (Babylonia and Assyria). The Biblical authors fashioned their own versions of the tale, and post-biblical authors continued to ruminate on its potential for meaning-making.

The Flood found its proper place in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and flood stories crop up in Hindu, American Indian, and African story-telling as well.

Amazing isn't it?
List of flood myths - Wikipedia
Its global.

It is like Despacito in different versions.

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Well, the Bible’s record of the Event dates it at over 4,300 years ago. That’s to be expected; no surprise there. It would be a memorable event, and it’s reflected in the lore of numerous cultures.
But such an event as depicted in the Bible would leave all sorts of evidence, yet all of the evidence that we can find says that it never happened.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Different flood myths are hardly surprising since man needs water and many waterways flood at times. What is more amazing are the peoples that never noticed a worldwide flood.

The Egyptians and Sumerians never noticed a global flood. If you ever have time read Letters from Earth by Mark Twain.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Different flood myths are hardly surprising since man needs water and many waterways flood at times. What is more amazing are the peoples that never noticed a worldwide flood.

Oh yes like music too.
When people get the beat
They start singing on their own language
creating their own version
Like Despacito.....

 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
That has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

People have different versions of the Flood.
Because during those times, people don't really care to READ.
They listened
When Noah and his family grew, grew and grew
They spread out to different places
Generations and generations and generations of people lived and died
They still remembered some of the stories of the flood
But dang! They couldn't remember it accurately.
So they developed their own versions.

Like those of your national anthem
Different versions of that Star Spangled Banner
from different folks

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
People have different versions of the Flood.
Because during those times, people don't really care to READ.
They listened
When Noah and his family grew, grew and grew
They spread out to different places
Generations and generations and generations of people lived and died
They still remembered some of the stories of the flood
But dang! They couldn't remember it accurately.
So they developed their own versions.

Like those of your national anthem
Different versions of that Star Spangled Banner
from different folks

First off you should try to learn why we know that there was no "Flood". That story is belied by the evidence that we find on the Earth. In fact those that believe in a worldwide flood are calling their God a liar.

Do you think that your God lies? If not would you like to learn how we know that the Flood story of Genesis did not happen?

The reason that there are countless flood myths is because different floods inspired different stories. There is no way that Native American flood myths have the same roots as Middle East flood myths. They have been separated too long.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
First off you should try to learn why we know that there was no "Flood". That story is belied by the evidence that we find on the Earth. In fact those that believe in a worldwide flood are calling their God a liar.

Do you think that your God lies? If not would you like to learn how we know that the Flood story of Genesis did not happen?

The reason that there are countless flood myths is because different floods inspired different stories. There is no way that Native American flood myths have the same roots as Middle East flood myths. They have been separated too long.

Whether the flood, Noah or the ark in your point of view is unbelievable, then it is unbelievable.
If it did not happen, then it did not happen.
People are entitled to their own opinion.
It happen a long time ago in a land far far away.

Sometimes people are naysayers, it is really up to them.

Like the Holocaust did not happen....
Like Elvis did not die....
Like Christ did not die on the cross....

Sure they could deny it a thousand times, you betcha.
That is what people say.


But it would take more to shake it off.
The Flood is over
The Fire is coming.
 
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