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First known animal that does not require oxygen to survive. So much for "breath of Life".

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.
Not as amazing as all that. It has been known for a long time that early life did not rely on oxygen for respiration. There are huge classes of anaerobes around today. The amazing thing, rather, was the Great Oxygenation Event on the early Earth, that led to the production of an atmosphere with free oxygen in it - as a result of the evolution of photosynthesis.

But it's true that all these anaerobes were and are single celled organisms. What is new about this finding, apparently, is that it is the first example of a multicellular organism that does not use oxygen.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.
What about this little one? I think it feels cheated!! :D

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Tardigrades, known colloquially as water bears or moss piglets, are a phylum of water-dwelling eight-legged segmented micro-animals.They were first described by the German zoologist Johann August Ephraim Goeze in 1773, who called them little water bears. In 1777, the Italian biologist Lazzaro Spallanzani named them Tardigrada, which means "slow steppers".

They have been found everywhere, from mountaintops to the deep sea and mud volcanoes, and from tropical rainforests to the Antarctic. Tardigrades are among the most resilient animals known, with individual species able to survive extreme conditions—such as exposure to extreme temperatures, extreme pressures (both high and low), air deprivation, radiation, dehydration, and starvation—that would quickly kill most other known forms of life. Tardigrades have survived exposure to outer space. About 1,300 known species form the phylum Tardigrada, a part of the superphylum Ecdysozoa. The group includes fossils dating from 530 million years ago, in the Cambrian period.

Tardigrades are usually about 0.5 mm (0.02 in) long when fully grown. They are short and plump, with four pairs of legs, each ending in claws (usually four to eight) or sucking disks. Tardigrades are prevalent in mosses and lichens and feed on plant cells, algae, and small invertebrates. When collected, they may be viewed under a low-power microscope, making them accessible to students and amateur scientists.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Science is man made. It's only facts to those who does not believe in the spiritual. Spirituality comes from the nature it self.
The observations made by science, suitably confirmed, are facts, about nature.

It is the theories that are models, rather than facts.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.


As @exchemist has pointed out, there are many known anaerobic bacteria (bacteria that do not need oxygen to survive). There are even obligate anaerobes: bacteria for which oxygen is poisonous.

What is remarkable about this article is two-fold: first, that it is multicellular and an animal.

But more remarkable, to be, is the fact that it is a eucaryotic cell without mitochondria.

OK, what does that mean?

Well, bacteria are 'simple cells'. They don't have nuclei, they don't have internal organelles, their DNA is not organized via histones into complex structures, etc. Bacteria are said to be procaryotes.

Complex cells, like those in all animals and plants *do* have these structures. So the cells from this new animal are complex cells.

Next, there are two standard stages of 'respiration': The first part (kreb's cycle) does not require oxygen, is fast, but doesn't give a lot of energy. The second (electron transport chain) is slower, requires oxygen, and gives a LOT more energy out. Some bacteria work with only the Kreb's cycle. Others have both. All eucaryotes up to now have both.

The electron transport chain in eucaryotes happens in an organelle called the mitochondrion. This is the 'energy powerhouse' of these cells.

Well, this new animal has cells without mitochondria. That, to me, is shocking.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.
you may want to reread your quoted link.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Science is man made. It's only facts to those who does not believe in the spiritual. Spirituality comes from the nature it self.

This ^^^ is completely wrong

Science is the human endeavour to explore and understand the natural.

Science does not deal in fact.

Spirituality comes from belief.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
What about this little one? I think it feels cheated!! :D

3f6c165c1419c84c9712c6620ee671c5d9cf864d.jpg


Tardigrades, known colloquially as water bears or moss piglets, are a phylum of water-dwelling eight-legged segmented micro-animals.They were first described by the German zoologist Johann August Ephraim Goeze in 1773, who called them little water bears. In 1777, the Italian biologist Lazzaro Spallanzani named them Tardigrada, which means "slow steppers".

They have been found everywhere, from mountaintops to the deep sea and mud volcanoes, and from tropical rainforests to the Antarctic. Tardigrades are among the most resilient animals known, with individual species able to survive extreme conditions—such as exposure to extreme temperatures, extreme pressures (both high and low), air deprivation, radiation, dehydration, and starvation—that would quickly kill most other known forms of life. Tardigrades have survived exposure to outer space. About 1,300 known species form the phylum Tardigrada, a part of the superphylum Ecdysozoa. The group includes fossils dating from 530 million years ago, in the Cambrian period.

Tardigrades are usually about 0.5 mm (0.02 in) long when fully grown. They are short and plump, with four pairs of legs, each ending in claws (usually four to eight) or sucking disks. Tardigrades are prevalent in mosses and lichens and feed on plant cells, algae, and small invertebrates. When collected, they may be viewed under a low-power microscope, making them accessible to students and amateur scientists.
That's different. Tardigrades need oxygen for respiration. In its absence, they go into a state of suspended animation, from which they can be revived after surprisingly long intervals. But their cellular processes do need oxygen:-

tardigrade | Facts & Lifespan
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
That's different. Tardigrades need oxygen for respiration. In its absence, they go into a state of suspended animation, from which they can be revived after surprisingly long intervals. But their cellular processes do need oxygen:-
Fair enough, don't really know a lot about it, just that it exists. However I think it will be happy to at least be one of the animals that can hold its breath for the longest then :p
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.
Bravo! As least one person got it.
Correct. The Bible is not a science text book.
We have been trying to drill that in concrete so long now.
However, when the Bible touches on science, it is accurate.
Did you see something about this information that contradicts the Bible?

What is interesting though, is the uncertainty evident from the article itself. "...it may be leeching energy from its host."
However, I fail to see what that has to do with the Bible.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Bravo! As least one person got it.
Correct. The Bible is not a science text book.
We have been trying to drill that in concrete so long now.
However, when the Bible touches on science, it is accurate.
Did you see something about this information that contradicts the Bible?

What is interesting though, is the uncertainty evident from the article itself. "...it may be leeching energy from its host."
However, I fail to see what that has to do with the Bible.
It's why it's a valid argument against ID being taught in schools. Most of it is based on religious beliefs like that in the Bible which obviously with this find further establishes the dangers of teaching pure fiction, as opposed to the established facts found by science. Particularly when it comes to evolution and how life actually came about here and how would it go through changes over the course of time.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
As @exchemist has pointed out, there are many known anaerobic bacteria (bacteria that do not need oxygen to survive). There are even obligate anaerobes: bacteria for which oxygen is poisonous.

What is remarkable about this article is two-fold: first, that it is multicellular and an animal.

But more remarkable, to be, is the fact that it is a eucaryotic cell without mitochondria.

OK, what does that mean?

Well, bacteria are 'simple cells'. They don't have nuclei, they don't have internal organelles, their DNA is not organized via histones into complex structures, etc. Bacteria are said to be procaryotes.

Complex cells, like those in all animals and plants *do* have these structures. So the cells from this new animal are complex cells.

Next, there are two standard stages of 'respiration': The first part (kreb's cycle) does not require oxygen, is fast, but doesn't give a lot of energy. The second (electron transport chain) is slower, requires oxygen, and gives a LOT more energy out. Some bacteria work with only the Kreb's cycle. Others have both. All eucaryotes up to now have both.

The electron transport chain in eucaryotes happens in an organelle called the mitochondrion. This is the 'energy powerhouse' of these cells.

Well, this new animal has cells without mitochondria. That, to me, is shocking.
Thanks your post was really interesting.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
As @exchemist has pointed out, there are many known anaerobic bacteria (bacteria that do not need oxygen to survive). There are even obligate anaerobes: bacteria for which oxygen is poisonous.

What is remarkable about this article is two-fold: first, that it is multicellular and an animal.

But more remarkable, to be, is the fact that it is a eucaryotic cell without mitochondria.

OK, what does that mean?

Well, bacteria are 'simple cells'. They don't have nuclei, they don't have internal organelles, their DNA is not organized via histones into complex structures, etc. Bacteria are said to be procaryotes.

Complex cells, like those in all animals and plants *do* have these structures. So the cells from this new animal are complex cells.

Next, there are two standard stages of 'respiration': The first part (kreb's cycle) does not require oxygen, is fast, but doesn't give a lot of energy. The second (electron transport chain) is slower, requires oxygen, and gives a LOT more energy out. Some bacteria work with only the Kreb's cycle. Others have both. All eucaryotes up to now have both.

The electron transport chain in eucaryotes happens in an organelle called the mitochondrion. This is the 'energy powerhouse' of these cells.

Well, this new animal has cells without mitochondria. That, to me, is shocking.

From the link "It remains unclear how H. salminicola survives without oxygen, but Huchon speculated to Haaretz that it may be leeching energy from its host."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Now watch the alterations commence along with new discoveries in science.

Heres a snippet from answers in Genesis ...

~~Breathing is also part of a much larger design—the entire balance of life on Earth. People and animals must consume oxygen to live, ~~~

Source:
The Breath of Life

Im sure once they hear of this, they will go into full damage control, or at least think of something to explain it away.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
H. salminicola: Scientists discover first animal that doesn't breathe

Yet another example to show that the Bible is not a science book.

All the same, it's quite an amazing find and opens the possibility for life elsewhere in the universe even outside environments with oxygen atmospheres.

Nature itself is a lot more fascinating and amazing then running around with conceived religious beliefs.

I figured if some religious had their way, this information would have been suppressed.

A similar article from 3 years ago on other specie that live without oxygen.

"
At the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea, in one of the most extreme environments on Earth, one research team found evidence of an animal able to live its entire life without oxygen.

Not one of the other million or so known animal species can do that. Oxygen, in some form, is often assumed to be vital for animal life. Yet the existence of these creatures seemed to blow a hole in this theory, with far-reaching implications for our understanding of life on Earth.

The tiny Mediterranean animals belong to a group called the loriciferans – an animal group so unusual that it was not discovered until the 1980s."

There is one animal that seems to survive without oxygen
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What about this little one? I think it feels cheated!! :D

3f6c165c1419c84c9712c6620ee671c5d9cf864d.jpg


Tardigrades, known colloquially as water bears or moss piglets, are a phylum of water-dwelling eight-legged segmented micro-animals.They were first described by the German zoologist Johann August Ephraim Goeze in 1773, who called them little water bears. In 1777, the Italian biologist Lazzaro Spallanzani named them Tardigrada, which means "slow steppers".

They have been found everywhere, from mountaintops to the deep sea and mud volcanoes, and from tropical rainforests to the Antarctic. Tardigrades are among the most resilient animals known, with individual species able to survive extreme conditions—such as exposure to extreme temperatures, extreme pressures (both high and low), air deprivation, radiation, dehydration, and starvation—that would quickly kill most other known forms of life. Tardigrades have survived exposure to outer space. About 1,300 known species form the phylum Tardigrada, a part of the superphylum Ecdysozoa. The group includes fossils dating from 530 million years ago, in the Cambrian period.

Tardigrades are usually about 0.5 mm (0.02 in) long when fully grown. They are short and plump, with four pairs of legs, each ending in claws (usually four to eight) or sucking disks. Tardigrades are prevalent in mosses and lichens and feed on plant cells, algae, and small invertebrates. When collected, they may be viewed under a low-power microscope, making them accessible to students and amateur scientists.
Some people think they may have been an introduced species from outer space. It's intriguing.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
It's why it's a valid argument against ID being taught in schools. Most of it is based on religious beliefs like that in the Bible which obviously with this find further establishes the dangers of teaching pure fiction, as opposed to the established facts found by science. Particularly when it comes to evolution and how life actually came about here and how would it go through changes over the course of time.
This is your opinion, but you haven't told me what the problem is that you are having with the article and the Bible. You only claimed there is a problem. That's not a fact, but an opinion.
 
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