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Fetuses and Abortions
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Brian2
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I'm the opposite of Rival since I think that foetuses have a spirit nature in them as adults and children do, but whether of not it is murder is open to debate in societies and ultimately is something that only God can judge on an individual basis.
how is it murder; if it doesn't have a soul? or are you claiming it has a soul and it's murder?
Abortion laws: Jewish faith teaches life does not start at conception
What Jewish law really says about abortion - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
It's my personal opinion. It's a potential soul, so it stays.
I hope you read your sources before posting them. What this article says is that while halachically (per Jewish law) an unborn fetus isn't considered to have a soul, abortion is still only allowed in certain rare cases.
There is no way of telling, we can only speculate
It's not as if we can observe souls
Does a clump of a dozen or so cells have a soul? I doubt it.
Does a thing with fingers, toes, and a face have a soul? Probably.
I have no idea at what point a foetus/embryo acquires a soul but I suspect it's linked to whenever it develops consciousness
Before it's reached a certain point of development then no. But after it's reached a certain point then yes.
But I have no idea where that point is, or should be
i certainly did read it.
the fact remains a fetus isn't a soul under jewish law. a soul is one in which the breath of life is taken and sustained without interference.
Jewish law does not consider the fetus to be a being with a soul until it is born. It does not have personhood. Furthermore, before 40 days, some poskim, or deciders of Jewish law, have a low bar for allowing an abortion.
strangely enough lung development is a major issue in premature babies
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The whole article goes into depth about when such abortions can take place and they're not exactly elective. Abortion is not a right, but a needful process if the medical situation, health of the mother, requires it.
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still the fetus isn't a person under jewish law.
abortion would be permissible under mental anguish. a raped woman would qualify.
i'm not advocating abortions. I'm out to show christian belief doesn't align with biblical context
I am extremely tokophobic but even then I couldn't go ahead with an abortion. I think this is more complex than folks think.
i'm not advocating abortions. I'm out to show christian belief doesn't align with biblical context
Well, I'm not a Christian so...!
Well, I'm not a Christian so...!
yes but you've been instrumental in this topic and as you stated this topic is more complex than a simple black and white answer.
thanks for sharing
Oh, good.
I'd be weary of defining a soul in the manner you are. The implication is that someone who uses some sort of breathing device doesn't have a soul. I'm completely serious.
In any case, while the Jewish view of abortion is different from the Christian one, it's still a very strict view and abortion rulings aren't made lightly.
epronovost
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Anything is a potential something.
I don't believe in souls. I don't believe abortion should be considered murder nor that fetuses and embryos should be equated to babies, toddlers, children, teenagers, adults or elders.
abortions happen quite naturally and without people involved.Oh, good.
I'd be weary of defining a soul in the manner you are. The implication is that someone who uses some sort of breathing device doesn't have a soul. I'm completely serious.
In any case, while the Jewish view of abortion is different from the Christian one, it's still a very strict view and abortion rulings aren't made lightly.
they call them miscarriages
again i'm not advocating abortion.
i'm pointing out the reasoning behind is like the idea of a house. is it a house if no one is living there? because the basic idea is the residence of a god. if god is spirit and no spirit is residing, then no one is home.
more references to abortion from another jewish source
Abortion in Judaism
That's alright. I'm pointing out that from a Jewish perspective, just because you've reached conclusion x about something, doesn't mean that therefore y is allowed. Another example is that animals aren't considered alive in Judaism, at least not in the same way that humans are. Does that mean that one can be cruel to animals? No, not at all. Judaism abhors cruelty to animals.
i'm not advocating for judaism.
being jewish evidently isn't something hereditary given the prophets many references of so called jews doing what isn't considered jewish
self is it's own worse enemy or friend. correction is one thing. punishment is abusive. science has shown that physical punishment has long term mental and physical problems.
love doesn't abuse other living things, nor does it try to control another's right to be. love isn't exclusive to an ism
people want to be part of something inclusive and love is the one main thing they seek the most. unfortunately they don't always reflect it. judaism not excluded