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F.y.i., Global Recession

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
It looks like we are staring at a global recession. This was caused by global socialism and massive debt. Even the Chinese version of "government run socialist capitalism" is off 30 to 40%. Canada is looking at a mortgage crisis on the near horizon. The metals are off as well, everything is down. The Fed will hold off of raising the interest rates, that will be good if you are looking at a lump sum option on those few companies that still offer an annuity. But 21 states in the US are no better than Puerto Rico and not far removed from Greece - this is what happens when you elect socialists. No way should other citizens of other states be forced to bailout the losers and spend and go into endless debt today and destroy your children tomorrow politico pigs. I was right, after the Democrats took control before the 2007 initial canary in the coal mine than the double whammy in Oct of 2008, but this time bonds may not be the escape route. Yet, bonds just may hold their own considering the Fed stance (currently). But this is it buddy, the real thing coming due now. Thank you Obama you piece of garbage, what dog crap you are. But I will find my way, watch and see. Too many others are going to suffer now. And we are suppose to worry about the Confederate Flag? What crap. In one way, that flag represents independence and rebels. A lot of folks will be liking that a lot very soon. Gold is down. But I am moving chunks of money over into gold and precious metal stocks. They will continue to go down - for now. Good luck chumps. But one thing is for sure, my boys will be the last man standing. And not one friggin penny to the garbage in Baltimore. Screw every one of them, not another penny. Them eats their own children, so let them do what is natural anyway. And only "our people" should get the help and if needed the meds - stop all illegal "immigration" now. It is going to get bad, we don't have the money for the invaders.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I do see that we're at an elevated risk of financial instability here in Americastan.
I'm trying to arrange my investing strategy to be more risk tolerant, but it's a slow process.
 
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ratikala

Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Shiva fan ji

I do not confess to understand politics in any shape or form , all I know is what I see , and every day there is some dreadfull news , I can agree that we are heading for a world resession because we have been living in a false economy for so long and sooner or later the bubble has to burst , ....I do not understand what is happening in america and I struggle to understand what is happening here , I canot understand why so many educated men and women enter government with high ideals only to end up supporting and perpetuating a system which is broken ???

it seems that their answer to everything is endless rounds of talks over trade deals , except here in the UK we hardly make anything any more , .....so we dont have much to trade , .....except our ability to consume , ...so we trade that and we speculate on the wealth of others , ...i.e. trading in futures , ....which means manipulating the farmers of the third world so that we can maintain our own position , it canot go on it has to crash at some point , ...but when ? of course the more powerfull countries will be able to hold it off the longest but at the expence of others (the small man) I dont have any money to buy gold , If I had any money I would buy land but even that has become un affordable at least with land one can grow food , .....
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram ji

I do see that we're at an elevated risk of financial instability here in Americastan.
I'm trying to arrange my investing strategy to be more risk tolerantk, but it's a slow process.

as far as I can see the only real and worthy investment is in Land and in People , ...all the time we look to protect our own interests by investing in the system , through banks, we are perpetuating the cycle , ....my parents have saved all their lives to have a little money for retirement so thet put it into banks and bonds , now they are crying poor because they get so little income from these investments , if they had invested in land they would have an income and also be providing a home and a livlihood for others , .....prehaps I am being too symplistic , but when banks crash people loose everything then as happened here the govenment uses our money to support them , .....money we paid in to support the country and the people not to support the banks , ......and now the banks and the economy is in crisis they give very little in return , this supports no one but their own eleit , .....
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
namaskaram ji
as far as I can see the only real and worthy investment is in Land and in People , ...all the time we look to protect our own interests by investing in the system , through banks, we are perpetuating the cycle , ....my parents have saved all their lives to have a little money for retirement so thet put it into banks and bonds , now they are crying poor because they get so little income from these investments , if they had invested in land they would have an income and also be providing a home and a livlihood for others , .....prehaps I am being too symplistic , but when banks crash people loose everything then as happened here the govenment uses our money to support them , .....money we paid in to support the country and the people not to support the banks , ......and now the banks and the economy is in crisis they give very little in return , this supports no one but their own eleit , .....
Land makes sense if it can be productive.
One must either farm it or build something on it to produce income.
Buying land for appreciation is risky.
A development I'm in is taking about 10 years before it will begin (I hope) making money.
It really takes that long (at great continuing cost) to get past governmental hurdles in a radically changing economy.
(Big box stores are fading due to the internet. Residential & medical are rising.)
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
It looks like we are staring at a global recession. This was caused by global socialism and massive debt. Even the Chinese version of "government run socialist capitalism" is off 30 to 40%. Canada is looking at a mortgage crisis on the near horizon. The metals are off as well, everything is down. The Fed will hold off of raising the interest rates, that will be good if you are looking at a lump sum option on those few companies that still offer an annuity. But 21 states in the US are no better than Puerto Rico and not far removed from Greece - this is what happens when you elect socialists. No way should other citizens of other states be forced to bailout the losers and spend and go into endless debt today and destroy your children tomorrow politico pigs. I was right, after the Democrats took control before the 2007 initial canary in the coal mine than the double whammy in Oct of 2008, but this time bonds may not be the escape route. Yet, bonds just may hold their own considering the Fed stance (currently). But this is it buddy, the real thing coming due now. Thank you Obama you piece of garbage, what dog crap you are. But I will find my way, watch and see. Too many others are going to suffer now. And we are suppose to worry about the Confederate Flag? What crap. In one way, that flag represents independence and rebels. A lot of folks will be liking that a lot very soon. Gold is down. But I am moving chunks of money over into gold and precious metal stocks. They will continue to go down - for now. Good luck chumps. But one thing is for sure, my boys will be the last man standing. And not one friggin penny to the garbage in Baltimore. Screw every one of them, not another penny. Them eats their own children, so let them do what is natural anyway. And only "our people" should get the help and if needed the meds - stop all illegal "immigration" now. It is going to get bad, we don't have the money for the invaders.

Tell us how you really feel. lol. Although gold is definitely a hedge against runaway inflation, I feel it will not hold any true real world trade value in the face of a total economic collapse. I think investing in a warehouse full of beer would make you rich if the poop truly hits the propeller.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well I agree with Warren Buffett when he says there's no stock market bubble in America. Plus the fight between state power or a central power has been going on forever.

What do you mean when you say 21 states are not far removed from greece?

Also you failed to explain why in particular socialism is so bad or so much worse than capitalism. Granted you are already in the Capitalist forum and maybe I don't belong.

I'm actually for a mix of the better aspects of capitalism and communism that includes the ability to buy and own a house. People are motivated to work hard and the poor can be saved at the same time. Also I like Rand Paul for being so against war. Those are my feelings.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Well I just had a wonderful, but a bit tiring, day yesterday on Vancouver Island, Victoria, Buchart Gardens et all, but I have a moment to spare this morning so let me spread my "propaganda" a bit and get back "on point".

Some have been asking, via IM, email etc., more specifics and even more to the point, "what to do?" (strategies). I wiil touch a bit of "what to do" at the end, but ...

Rule number one is "never take financial advice from a co-worker or friend".

That is so true. Except from me. I always forewarn, however, "listen at your own risk"... if you are a friend, I wish you success. If you are not, I still wish your "sociey" a success since we are "all connected" and your societal failures on the economic front can weigh on my success. Of course there are some who are too stupid to be alive, in some cases it is better for everyone that you die.

Prosperity to all, I say. But I never say "Peace and Prosperity". The "prophets" and politicos who bellow this are always the ones who take everyone down the path to famine, despotic rule and elite (though crippled) self-interest, mass murder and death camps.

~ This isn't a joke ~

Laugh all you want for those who live in the world of TV dance shows, celebrity divorces and global warming psychosis. China's crash has decimated 30% of it's stock market value - ALL IN LESS THAN A MONTH. The regime's ineffective, but predictably control freak, measures to top down command the Chinese economy now makes them look even more incompetent than they are. The communist response makes them look in the eyes of the average Chinese as worsening the situation.

And they are making it worse, the peasants are right. And as the "middle class" in China lose the economic gains they have made there is going to be big, big trouble in Dong City, even if the regime has Tiananmen tanks. They will turn to even a more aggressive stand militarily to "distract by way of patriotism" and, as crazy as this sounds, blame their problems on a secret plot by the Japanese fish industry, Philippino fabric and textile industry and Jewish bankers to destroy China.

Actually, they won't blame the USA. Well, a tiny bit. But mostly, no. Because they told their people "Nixon is an example of Mao. With Leadership by Great Men who carry the water bucket, a thousand flowers will bloom".

Don't ask me what that means, but in Chicom talk it means Nixon is good, and they were telling the Chinese "buy! buy! buy!". So they did buy: stocks.

Now the same government is saying "DON'T SELL!". Or else. You can ONLY buy. But not sell.

As China's economy sinks more, which will come in a series of jolts downward interspaced with tempid upswings, the jolts will shake out to have huge negative consequences for global stock markets.

The Chinese communists are looking at Nixonian America for the answer. They truly do love Dick "commie killer" Nixon (R) and especially his wife, Pat. Don't believe this crap about loving Clinton, doesn't matter that "big red nose man" (Bill) gave them weapons technology in return for campaign "donations", and the good reds all are revolted (ha ha, revolted) by "fat feet" (Hillary).

No, they love Nixon Republicans, and they always will, even to the end when the peasants turn the regime's own tanks on them.

As things get more sucky, the sales of Confedrate Flags, now suddenly a hot item in China including Dixie tatoos, will spike even more. There are also "warring states" that may likely arise, a couple of them led by Chinese Christian sects - "heaven society" militias - that may take over some key cities.

Actually, those times will be interesting to say the least, and I am thinking about exercising more so as to live to see it. This is going to be totally epic in proportion, almost Lord of the Rings, as we see warring states arise in China and every exotic Charlemagne and charlatan imaginable put on robes, a great place to make a documentary or go on one of those spooky vacations to the "far shore"!

So they invoked Nixon from the grave and confused QE with Nixonism somehow, and thus we see the forced, central top down, cuts in interest rates over the last few days. The Chicom version of QE, what they think is "Nixon with a water bucket". Shades of "The Fed".

Doesn't look like it is working, and while the Stars and Bars might be coming down in S.C., it looks like a Confederate Flag may be waving over the capital of some remote Chinese provence in the future, all hail the "Heavenly Lee Wong, Prophet of Isha, named after Honorable Christong and General, Rob Are Eee Lee".

The first thing you're gonna' hear tomorrow is "China Rebounds!".... what a joke.

China is just one canary that is low on oxygen, there are many more, but it doesn't look good and there is only so much bad news one can take over a bowl uf Cherrios. The basic fundamebtal is massive debt, there is enough socialism to go around to destroy the global economy. And then, there are the Islamic extremist 12 Century savages and that might just be the straw that broke the camel's back.

~ So you are on vacation in Canada. Will Canada collapse before you start driving back to water starved California? ~

In theory, the looming mortgage crises in Canada could come suddenly, but not that fast in all likelihood to collapse before my "long march home". But, like me and a friend were talking just a few days ago regarding the situation, it is coming, and then lo and behold it is in the newspaper. Well what do you know. Right again.

So CD Howe says Canada needs a $9 billion dollar fund handy when the housing crash comes with a 30 percent drop in prices and high unemployment numbers (which will be covered over with phony Obama style government lies), predicting a 17 billion dollar loss on the horizon. Oh Canada, oh Canada, that sounds "good" viz billions verse trillions, but it is just uncanny how these things snowball.

~ What to do !?!?!*! ~

Well.... you could start to buy "Dividend based" ETFs. That might help. So there is my tip of the day.

These are ETFs that focus on dividend paying stocks.

And, there is always the gold and precious metals funds or gold mine stocks - but not a lot of the gold bug, just enough to hedge the losses as the market poops out.

Another crap shoot is oil stocks - who knows, after all WW3 is on the horizon and Iran is nuts. Not the people of Iran (well, maybe a good portion of them as well), but the mullahs are nuts. So we just might have an oil shortage caused by conflict and Iranian turmoil coming that could spike the price per barrel due to the Iranian nutjobs aa well as ISIS, and all of you who bought oil stocks now on the cheap are in for a nice Christmas bonus. But that is sort of like playing roulette. I put a bit of money on that and am waiting for the potential Pearl Harbor.

One other thing you can do is vote for a Republican like Trump. Someone like him will pull the rabbit out of the economic hat and save the world from the coming global recession. I just read he is now at the top of the polls. The world is a tuff place, but even as bad as it is, there is still a nice ride on BC Ferries. I really love the BC Ferries.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Too bad Trump can't run in BC, he might do better than thought. Bravo is upset with Alberta (Canada) government who brought in cheap Mexican labor to fight the current wildfires instead of the normal local firefighters under contract.

Figherfighters under legal contract say this is a violation of the constitution and the law.

How many Mexicans will illegally overstay in Canada will likely be more than one IMHO. I doubt if any background checks were run to determine if any are problems to Canada with criminal records, odd diseases or worse.

For the last many days, the sky here in BC has been a haze with smoke, warnings of air conditions, and red, red late day sun. They say it was human caused. But they don't say which humans or any specifics. Word is, it was some pot smokers come up from Tacoma, Washington (USA).

It's Goundhog Day all over the world. Don't worry, we will be told we are saved again 14 times in as many days. Bailouts, kicking the can.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The economic hard dive from an already troubled and weak "recovery" (decline, horrible GDP and huge numbers out of the labor force and not even counted among the phony Obama gov crap stats) officially started today.

After almost 8 years of the Obama economic malaise and the worst pathetic never-ending "recovery" in American history, the economic nosedive into very bad times officially began today and the "escape hatches" are closing.

A lot of you are going to be in big trouble. Some of you did it to yourself actually, part of the agenda causing this, others victims.

I will be ok, in fact with gold incredibly jumping 53 dollars in the last couple of weeks and up today (it really should also be going down due to "King Dollar" and will go down again), I just made a lot of money on some gold funds I bought recently on the cheap as a "hedge" even with risk.

We don't know if the Fed will actually raise interest rates in September now, as they said they would, this would collspse the bond market. But REITs in August (real estate) will go UP in August due to "last chancers" grabbing mortgages and estate BEFORE the rates go up and collapse the real estate market, I just made money there, too. The collapse in real estate may be delayed a while if the government forces the same type unqualified home loans onto the bank lenders that caused the 2008 collapse of the economy and subsequent massive govt bailouts to the banks to postpone a depression of their own obese government policy making on massive government debt and spending on borrowed money of which they will barely be able to make the "minimum payment" under rising interest rates that the Fed wants to raise to help their banker friends who actually give the Fed their power, it will help some sectors such as CD rates but hurt many other sectors and probably cause devastation (Deva or God lightning bolt?) for many on this forum.

The economy in NY is imploding. And crime is exploding, as well as heroin use.

New York-area manufacturing conditions fell swiftly and brutally in August, one that could make the likelihood of an interest-rate hike next month — or even this year — more remote. The Empire State general business conditions index nose-dived to a reading of negative -14.9, from positive 3.9 in July, marking the worst level since April 2009 recession bottoms the New York Fed said. The new-orders component sank to negative -15.7 and the shipments index sank to negative -13.8 from positive 7.9.

I might post now and then some survival tactics regarding money and investments.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
This was caused by global socialism by obese governments and their massive spending and massive debt. And as we go into this regressive decline no one will be in the mood to give a crap about stupid pot smokers shrinking their brains, let them cry to Obama for another handout which isn't going to come. At least the rest of us will get to enjoy watching the nitwits poop in their own nest.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Dow crashes -530 points today.
I am always right.
I also made more money on my gold funds and dividend based ETFs.
I always make money... in the end. Sent 200 dollars over to Trump.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
In 8 hours we will know. The price of tea in China will post on the grease board about 4am. Some would have wishful thinking. Some would vote with their feet. I hope for the best, perhaps we should see the expected after a black Friday - bargin hunters. If not... well I pray for everyone that, in the end, it will be "ok". There is no fear among those I know - steady. Steady. Cold and cool. Right into the machine guns, if needed. In the morning many will start to buy. Buy. Buy. To turn it. They will step up. But it might not be enough. What amazing men, these fellows. Teeth of cold gold coin, but penny in each eye.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
A few decades ago I read how Japan was going to rule economically and how the USA was doomed. Then we had a run about how great China was with its crazy combination of state capitalism, private enterprise and a command economy. Now the cracks are appearing there.

The pollution disasters in China, the poising of their own people and us and so forth show how unregulated capitalism inevitably leads to the "tragedy of the commons". Capitalism works best when the government enforces competition by breaking up monopolies and, in modern times, should break up "too big to fail" banks.

What capitalism really needs to thrive is to get rid of the corruption of crony capitalism which we see today including having big business write the bills for the legislatures to pass. This behavior distorts the market causing negative results with competition stifled and sclerotic businesses that should fade away continuing to exist.

It's instructive to look at California with a tech industry on fire with many startups and labor shortages. Of course if the economy goes into the toilet, the tech industry will follow. But it illustrates something about the relationship of business and government including the tax rate.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
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philbo

High Priest of Cynicism
This was caused by global socialism by obese governments and their massive spending and massive debt. And as we go into this regressive decline no one will be in the mood to give a crap about stupid pot smokers shrinking their brains, let them cry to Obama for another handout which isn't going to come. At least the rest of us will get to enjoy watching the nitwits poop in their own nest.
Except that there is no "global socialsim", you don't get to redefine words so you can excoriate the terms you hate. People will take you more seriously if you at least sound like you know what you're talking about rather than incoherent rants running off on irrelevant tangents just because they contain something else you appear to feel aggrieved about.
 
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