I'll take serious to mean atheistic and naturalistic.
In the matter of biology, it ends up being pretty much the same, yes.
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I'll take serious to mean atheistic and naturalistic.
I'll take serious to mean atheistic and naturalistic.
Man of Faith said:It’s no secret why a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc… Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
Agnostic75 said:Message to Man of Faith: Consider the following by Ken Miller:
NOVA | In Defense of Evolution
We've known for a long time that we humans share common ancestry with the other great apes—gorillas, orangs, chimps, and bonobos. But there's an interesting problem here. We humans have 46 chromosomes; all the other great apes have 48. In a sense, we're missing a pair of chromosomes, two chromosomes. How did that happen?
Well, is it possible that in the line that led to us, a pair of chromosomes was simply lost, dropping us from 24 pairs to 23? Well, the answer to that is no. The loss of both members of a pair would actually be fatal in any primate. There is only one possibility, and that is that two chromosomes that were separate became fused to form a single chromosome. If that happened, it would drop us from 24 pairs to 23, and it would explain the data.
Here's the interesting point, and this is why evolution is a science. That possibility is testable. If we indeed were formed that way, then somewhere in our genome there has to be a chromosome that was formed by the fusion of two other chromosomes. Now, how would we find that? It's easier than you might think.
Every chromosome has a special DNA sequence at both ends called the telomere sequence. Near the middle it has another special sequence called the centromere. If one of our chromosomes was formed by the fusion of two ancestral chromosomes, what we should be able to see is that we possess a chromosome in which telomere DNA is found in the center where it actually doesn't belong, and that the chromosome has two centromeres. So all we have to do is to look at our own genome, look at our own DNA, and see, do we have a chromosome that fits these features?
We do. It's human chromosome number 2, and the evidence is unmistakable. We have two centromeres, we have telomere DNA near the center, and the genes even line up corresponding to primate chromosome numbers 12 and 13.
Is there any way that intelligent design or special creation could explain why we have a chromosome like this? The only way that I can think of is if you're willing to say that the intelligent designer rigged chromosome number 2 to fool us into thinking that we had evolved. The closer we look at our own DNA, the more detailed a glimpse we get of our own genome, the more powerful the evidence becomes for our common ancestry with other species.
Man of Faith said:This has been addressed many times. It’s no secret why
a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc… Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
This has been addressed many times. Its no secret why a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
Acceptance of evolution grew in spite of considerable opposition.
The alternate view being supernaturalism?When the acceptance of naturalism grew and now that the philosophy of naturalism has taken over, there is no room for any alternate view.
Man of Faith said:When the acceptance of naturalism grew and now that the philosophy of naturalism has taken over, there is no room for any alternate view.
When the acceptance of naturalism grew and now that the philosophy of naturalism has taken over, there is no room for any alternate view.
Man of Faith said:.......the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
Man of Faith said:When the acceptance of naturalism grew and now that the philosophy of naturalism has taken over, there is no room for any alternate view.
Agnostic75 said:Message to Man of Faith: Consider the following by Ken Miller:
NOVA | In Defense of Evolution
We've known for a long time that we humans share common ancestry with the other great apesgorillas, orangs, chimps, and bonobos. But there's an interesting problem here. We humans have 46 chromosomes; all the other great apes have 48. In a sense, we're missing a pair of chromosomes, two chromosomes. How did that happen?
Well, is it possible that in the line that led to us, a pair of chromosomes was simply lost, dropping us from 24 pairs to 23? Well, the answer to that is no. The loss of both members of a pair would actually be fatal in any primate. There is only one possibility, and that is that two chromosomes that were separate became fused to form a single chromosome. If that happened, it would drop us from 24 pairs to 23, and it would explain the data.
Here's the interesting point, and this is why evolution is a science. That possibility is testable. If we indeed were formed that way, then somewhere in our genome there has to be a chromosome that was formed by the fusion of two other chromosomes. Now, how would we find that? It's easier than you might think.
Every chromosome has a special DNA sequence at both ends called the telomere sequence. Near the middle it has another special sequence called the centromere. If one of our chromosomes was formed by the fusion of two ancestral chromosomes, what we should be able to see is that we possess a chromosome in which telomere DNA is found in the center where it actually doesn't belong, and that the chromosome has two centromeres. So all we have to do is to look at our own genome, look at our own DNA, and see, do we have a chromosome that fits these features?
We do. It's human chromosome number 2, and the evidence is unmistakable. We have two centromeres, we have telomere DNA near the center, and the genes even line up corresponding to primate chromosome numbers 12 and 13.
Is there any way that intelligent design or special creation could explain why we have a chromosome like this? The only way that I can think of is if you're willing to say that the intelligent designer rigged chromosome number 2 to fool us into thinking that we had evolved. The closer we look at our own DNA, the more detailed a glimpse we get of our own genome, the more powerful the evidence becomes for our common ancestry with other species.
Man of Faith said:This has been addressed many times. Its no secret why
a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
Man of Faith said:Its no secret why a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
Yes, let us be fair:To be fair, I never claimed that it couldn't happen in this thread, just that it isn't observable and that is enough to question if it did happen.
The fact that observable, repeatable, change only happens within or below the family level is enough to question if common descent did happen.
You fell for whole EXPELLED propaganda hook, line, and sinker, didn't you?This has been addressed many times. Its no secret why a scientist, or anyone, whether Christian or not would want to accept the ToE and that is because of funding, legitimacy, acceptance among peers, getting a pay check, being taken seriously, etc Matter of fact the whole ToE is propped up by lawsuits and the propaganda techniques of public ridicule and scorn, just no real data to present.
When the acceptance of naturalism grew and now that the philosophy of naturalism has taken over, there is no room for any alternate view.
Do you feel the same way about the naturalistic explanations for electromagnetism, gravity, and nutrition?