That has nothing to do with choice, if I am not mistaken. Even people who are mentally challenged still understand choice. IMO
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OK... we will agree to disagree. My examples, for me, were very clear.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Correct, your gender self-understanding and sexulity has nothing to with choice. Just like all other human. You are telling me that you chose to be heterosexual and feel like a male, right. It is a lifestyle choice, and you could just as well choose homosexual and female, which would make you a lesbian trans-woman.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, just choose another gender and sexual preference.
SkepticThinker
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Well, I don't know what you mean, so it can't be all that self-evident.
I don't see how an LGBTQ person's "lifestyle" is any different from a bisexual person's lifestyle or a heterosexual person's "lifestyle." Sexual orientation, gender, sex, etc. aren't lifestyles, imo.
Without knowing what you actually mean by "LGBT lifestyle" I can't really respond to this, but I don't see how they relate.
SkepticThinker
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Do you think you have a choice in say, what your favourite colour is or what foods you find tasty?
You can't choose gender... you are, most of the time, XX or XY.
Preference:
Merriam Webster;
Definition of preference
1a: the act of preferring : the state of being preferred
b: the power or opportunity of choosing
As you so clearly stated... "sexual preference" - a choice
At this point, it seems more like we are playing with words/
Subduction Zone
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Biological sex and gender are not the same.
Google:
gender
noun
- 1.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
I LOVE ice-scream as food. I CHOOSE not to eat ice-cream because of its sugar content. So, yes, I have a choice. If I choose to eat 1 gallon a day of ice-cream, I have now chosen to make it my lifestyle.
I think that is pretty clear for understanding.
Subduction Zone
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That would appear to be you. The phrase "LBGQ lifestyle" and those like it are usually used as a slur against LGBQ people. That you could not properly define your phrase indicates that you were using it that way.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, you are playing with the words lifestyle, choice and gender. I am glad you are catching it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So when did you decide to be straight?.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Since an answer would almost certainly refute his argument I do not think that we will get one.Still waiting for that one.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm just trying to figure out what you're talking about.
For something so self-evident, you seem to be having a difficult time explaining what you're talking about.
SkepticThinker
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So the answer is no. You don't have a choice in what your favourite colour is or what foods you find tasty.
I disagree.... that is a modern twisting of the word gender to accommodate personal preference. I understand, of course, that people can change meanings if they so choose but it remains a modern twisting of the word gender
Etymology of "gender"
gender (n.)
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).
The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is from 1977, popularized from 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.
So, I will continue to teach it as its original purpose and not the modern accommodation of what someone wants it to mean.
gender | Etymology, origin and meaning of gender by etymonline
I thought it was quite clear. I'm having a difficult time how you don't understand what I'm talking about.