Evil and Good

[Thief]

The man was Adam.
According to the Bible, God told the man he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit.

that was a test

to see if the alterations performed in the garden....unto Adam
had taken hold

would Man be that creature curious?......even if death is the consequence

Adam and his wife.....passed the test

the garden had served it's purpose and was dismantled

Adam and Eve were then released into the environment

death was always a part of the plan

they knew that

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Where does the Bible say that humans are cursed?

It's what the whole "fall of man" thingy and original sin is all about.
It's all really just a reaction to one sin of one man.

The Bible teaches that humans die because they are sinful like Adam. It doesn't even matter whether they commit the same sin as Adam or even are under the laws of God. We die because we are like Adam. I never said anything different.

That's quite a different take on it that you have then most christian's I've spoken with.
or bible's I've read.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I see evil as a religious idea and has no meaning for those not in certain clubs.

That doesn't work for me:

Hitler wasn't evil
Stalin wasn't evil
Skeptics who constantly fight with theists at RF aren't being evil

 

[leov]

some say evil is the lack of good.


but really? isn't it simply the lack of love for all as self?

I do not think so, it about free will of choosing good or evil.

 

[ChristineM]

That doesn't work for me:

Hitler wasn't evil
Stalin wasn't evil
Skeptics who constantly fight with theists at RF aren't being evil

Correct, Hiller and Stalin were not nice people, they were the cause of much suffering and death. However as a religious person judging 2 religious despots you may consider them evil. I consider them just about as bad a a human being can be. Also remember that both had their good sides too.

As for your last sentence. Ever looked in a mirror?

 

[Fool]

I see evil as a religious idea and has no meaning for those not in certain clubs.

most humanist still qualify things as negative/positive

 

[ChristineM]

most humanist still qualify things as negative/positive

And all the bits in between.

 

[Fool]

This is precisely what i am talking about
Morality is a human trait, not a religious exclude everyone not in our club trait. Just about every person born knows the difference between right and wrong.

love is not just a human trait, nor is hatred. it can be conditioned in other animals

 

[Fool]

And all the bits in between.

but the problem is that without love, the opposite is chaos. chaos doesn't evolve, it dissolves

 

[ChristineM]

love is not just a human trait, nor is hatred. it can be conditioned in other animals

Many animals dont need conditioning and can teach us humans a lot

 

[Fool]

doesn't that second line describe....sociopath?

or psychopathology

 

[Fool]

Many animals dont need conditioning and can teach us humans a lot

everyone, thing, is conditioned to experience. its when that experience is superimposed over something that isn't necessarily like the other.

 

[ChristineM]

but the problem is that without love, the opposite is chaos. chaos doesn't evolve, it dissolves

No, without love (which is an emotion) is no love. Chaos is a whole different ball game of physical disorder.

 

[ChristineM]

everyone, thing, is conditioned to experience. its when that experience is superimposed over something that isn't necessarily like the other.

Everyone is born with s brain. Emotion is not a necessarily conditioned response in a brain although some emotion can be conditioned

 

[Fool]

No, without love (which is an emotion) is no love. Chaos is a whole different ball game of physical disorder.

love is an action and an emotion. that is why altruism is considered a very healthy phenomena. as an emotion alone, it isn't of much value.

 

[Fool]

Everyone is born with s brain. Emotion is not a necessarily conditioned response in a brain although some emotion can be conditioned

you're exclusively speaking of humans. i'm speaking of humans and other animals to manipulate their environment for themselves and others. there is the reaction to an environment and then there is the ability to create vs react.

 

[ChristineM]

love is an action and an emotion. that is why altruism is considered a very healthy phenomena. as an emotion alone, it isn't of much value.

It is an action based on emotion, without the emotion there can be no love. So emotion is of much value

 

[ChristineM]

you're exclusively speaking of humans. i'm speaking of humans and other animals to manipulate their environment for themselves and others. there is the reaction to an environment and then there is the ability to create vs react.

See my previous post #30

 

[halbhh]

some say evil is the lack of good.


but really? isn't it simply the lack of love for all as self?

Yes.

It's good to have the full statements in the positive form --

39 ...‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
( 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”)

And the how-to-do that --

Matthew 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

 

[halbhh]

I see evil as a religious idea and has no meaning for those not in certain clubs.

When someone tells you it's evil to do something you know is harmless, then it does tell you they haven't a clue.

But, if one values enjoyment, good times, life, friends, then because of that valuing and because that human nature has some universal (to humans) constant qualities, it follows logically then there will be principles (merely because human nature is consistent).

See the post just above for the perfect forms of what is best in practical actual living -- the principles that cause the best outcomes. (the highest overall degree of enjoyment, peace, friends, thriving)

It's sort of like how plants need water, soil, sunlight. Give them what they need, and they will thrive.

Like that.