Everyone Who Claims Homosexuality is a Sin is Bisexual

[Road Less Traveled]

My apologies for misreading your post. Yes, that's exactly what I thought you said, but you clarified it. Thanks!

All good my friend, good to get that cleared up. No need to apologize, I’ve done it too.

 

[1213]

We were not talking about something that is not true. I gave you an extremely strong hint that anyone with even a middle school level of knowledge of genetics would have picked up. That you did not do so tells us that you know nothing of the subject.

If your attempt to debate is genuine you would admit the obvious. But since you will not admit the obvious this article may help:

Sex-linked recessive: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Yes, that really is so far from the point that it is perhaps better if you forget the whole matter, if you can’t tell how homosexuality is inherited and what causes it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, that really is so far from the point that it is perhaps better if you forget the whole matter, if you can’t tell how homosexuality is inherited and what causes it.

No, you made a rather ignorant and incorrect claim. That link was there to help you understand your error.

I would think that you would want to learn. Or was your supposed interest not genuine?

 

[Martin]

Isn't everyone potentially a little bit bi?

 

[1213]

No, you made a rather ignorant and incorrect claim. That link was there to help you understand your error. ...?

Ok, so you are suggesting homosexuality is a disease? Now, if that is true, there should be a cure for it? And you apparently know what causes homosexuality? So, what is/are the gene(s) that cause it

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, so you are suggesting homosexuality is a disease? Now, if that is true, there should be a cure for it? And you apparently know what causes homosexuality? So, what is/are the gene(s) that cause it

No, I used diseases to help you understand your error which you have yet to admit. You need to drop your fear of being a homosexual. If you are one there is not anything that you can do about it. If you are not there is no way to "catch" it.

 

[1213]

...If you are one there is not anything that you can do about it. ...

Why do you believe so?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you believe so?

Psychological studies show that time after time "conversion therapy" fails miserably. In fact it is now thought to be abuse.

 

[Muffled]

Maybe you are wrong and everyone thinks you are stupid

I believe I am right and don't care what people who are wrong think about me.

 

[Muffled]

They have a narrative that homosexuality is a choice. If it is a choice then they feel justified in discriminating against them.

I believe the truth is that it is a choice. I do not believe in discriminating against people other than to do that which is right.

 

[Muffled]

According to the Bible, eating pork and adultery are also sins. Adultery is punishable by death. How have you done either? Have you condoned anyone who has committed these sins?

I believe the Holy Spirit is now the one that says what must be done. So it matters not what was done in the OT but it matters what Jesus wants done now. I do not condone any sin.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe the truth is that it is a choice. I do not believe in discriminating against people other than to do that which is right.

You do not know what "truth" is. Perhaps English is a second language for you and that did not translate correctly. When you claim it is a "truth" you put the burden of proof upon yourself. So please prove that homosexuality is a choice.

 

[1213]

Psychological studies show that time after time "conversion therapy" fails miserably. In fact it is now thought to be abuse.

It fails, if the person doesn’t really want to reject the habit. Similarly as alcoholics fail, if they don’t really want to give up that habit.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It fails, if the person doesn’t really want to reject the habit. Similarly as alcoholics fail, if they don’t really want to give up that habit.

No, I could show you articles, but that is not the case. Of course you are years behind in supporting your claims so I don't think that I will do so just yet.

Please support your claims with more than "because the Bible tells me so".

 

[ThePathToZion]

Everyone who claims homosexuality is a sin must necessarily be bisexual. Here is why.

According to the traditional definitions of sin, sin must always involve a choice. Thus, the claim that attraction to the same sex is sinful implies that attraction to the same sex is a choice. But no one chooses who they are sexually attracted to. Nevertheless, people who are bisexual can choose to ignore one aspect of their sexuality, so that they can have the illusion of choice. This is why we see so many bisexual people claim to have "found Jesus," and "repent" of their homosexuality, and make the "choice" to be heterosexual. In reality, they are simply choosing to ignore the homosexual aspect of their sexuality and choose to only focus on the heterosexual aspect.

For people who are either 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual, sexual orientation is not a choice. For instance, I could not choose to be attracted to men, even if I wanted to be. In the same way, a homosexual person could not choose to be attracted to the other gender if they wanted to be. A person who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual would understand this, which begs the question, why do so many Christians, especially pastors, claim that homosexuality is a choice? I think that the only logical answer is that bisexuality is fairly commonplace in the population, and likely even more common among Christian pastors.

So, since our conclusion implies bisexuality is likely much more common in Christian pastors than in the rest of the population, we should encourage these pastors to celebrate their bisexuality, rather than trying to mask it in homophobic preaching. A study has already confirmed that homophobic men who claim to be heterosexual have measurable responses of arousal to gay porn, while non-homophobic heterosexual men do not. See this study, which verifies my ideas. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI

Homosexuality is a sin, but it's also a spirit. Most people now give in to the spirit and desires of our flesh. Everyone has a choice to give into their sins and a choice to turn away from them but things that work in the natural are also being worked in the spirit which is harder to fight. Before I was reborn I didn't understand why I felt alone with a room full of people who cared for me, why I was always made fun of for being different. I began to rebel and do things that made me fit in but convicted me spiritual. One night I began to become sexual involved with another woman and I felt a nasty spirit enter the room, I freaked out and kneed her in the mouth (not on purpose), grabbed my clothes and ran out of the house. I really didn't know it at the time but being reborn I realized I'm sensitive to the spirit realm. I used to want rights for the Lgbtq but knowing what I've seen, these are broken and lost people that are being influenced/tortured by things unseen. Just like people dealing with any other sins. I've seen it first hand my best friend has been gay since 5th grade and 16 years later he's stuck and has so much despair, and from that he puts outward this sense of control over everything and everyone but inside has so much anxiety. Also I don't really don't like using the word Christianity because as a lot of people know the devil can sit comfortable in a lot of churches these days. I don't put my faith in preachers or pastors, but only in God. He will never lead you astray if you give yourself to him.

 

[ThePathToZion]

Nope. Never says being homosexual is abomination, either. Nothing wrong with being homosexual, and anyone who tells you the Bible says anything different has either never read, or doesn't understand, it.

Tell that to Sodom and Gomorrah

 

[Road Warrior]

I believe the Holy Spirit is now the one that says what must be done. So it matters not what was done in the OT but it matters what Jesus wants done now. I do not condone any sin.

Thanks for your reply. Have you spoken out against those who are misusing the Bible?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Tell that to Sodom and Gomorrah

You should read what the Bible actually says the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were, before invoking them. Merely being homosexual was not one of them.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Homosexuality is a sin,

No it isn't. Nowhere does the Bible say it is.

I've seen it first hand my best friend has been gay since 5th grade and 16 years later he's stuck and has so much despair,

maybe because you and people like you keep telling him his inherent nature is sinful. You should stop doing that.

 

[Prestor John]

Everyone who claims homosexuality is a sin must necessarily be bisexual. Here is why.

According to the traditional definitions of sin, sin must always involve a choice. Thus, the claim that attraction to the same sex is sinful implies that attraction to the same sex is a choice. But no one chooses who they are sexually attracted to. Nevertheless, people who are bisexual can choose to ignore one aspect of their sexuality, so that they can have the illusion of choice. This is why we see so many bisexual people claim to have "found Jesus," and "repent" of their homosexuality, and make the "choice" to be heterosexual. In reality, they are simply choosing to ignore the homosexual aspect of their sexuality and choose to only focus on the heterosexual aspect.

For people who are either 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual, sexual orientation is not a choice. For instance, I could not choose to be attracted to men, even if I wanted to be. In the same way, a homosexual person could not choose to be attracted to the other gender if they wanted to be. A person who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual would understand this, which begs the question, why do so many Christians, especially pastors, claim that homosexuality is a choice? I think that the only logical answer is that bisexuality is fairly commonplace in the population, and likely even more common among Christian pastors.

So, since our conclusion implies bisexuality is likely much more common in Christian pastors than in the rest of the population, we should encourage these pastors to celebrate their bisexuality, rather than trying to mask it in homophobic preaching. A study has already confirmed that homophobic men who claim to be heterosexual have measurable responses of arousal to gay porn, while non-homophobic heterosexual men do not. See this study, which verifies my ideas. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI

I disagree with your claim that same-sex attraction is sinful.

As you said above, sin is about choice. It is about choosing to act on our predisposed weaknesses.

It is possible for all of us to overcome our weaknesses by relying on the Lord Jesus Christ and repenting of our sins.

Having an attraction to the same-sex is not a choice, therefore it is not sinful, but choosing to act on that attraction would be considered sin.