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Evangelicals & Jesus

Shrew

Active Member
Find this interesting, so I post it here:

Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

by Phil Zuckerman,
Professor of Sociology
Pitzer College
Claremont, California

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (The Tea Party and Religion) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.
It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture.
Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.

Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness.
These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith.
And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture.
Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent.
And yet Evangelicals are the group of Americans most supportive of easy-access weaponry, little-to-no regulation of handgun and semi-automatic gun ownership, not to mention the violent military invasion of various countries around the world.
Jesus was very clear that the pursuit of wealth was inimical to the Kingdom of God, that the rich are to be condemned, and that to be a follower of Him means to give one's money to the poor.
And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of corporate greed and capitalistic excess, and they are the most opposed to institutional help for the nation's poor -- especially poor children.
They hate anything that smacks of "socialism," even though that is essentially what their Savior preached. They despise food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training -- anything that might dare to help out those in need.
Even though helping out those in need was exactly what Jesus urged humans to do.
In short, Evangelicals are that segment of America which is the most pro-militaristic, pro-gun, and pro-corporate, while simultaneously claiming to be most ardent lovers of the Prince of Peace.

What's the deal? Before attempting an answer, allow a quick clarification.
Evangelicals don't exactly hate Jesus -- as we've provocatively asserted in the title of this piece.
They do love him dearly. But not because of what he tried to teach humanity.
Rather, Evangelicals love Jesus for what he does for them.
Through his magical grace, and by shedding his precious blood, Jesus saves Evangelicals from everlasting torture in hell, and guarantees them a premium, luxury villa in heaven.
For this, and this only, they love him. They can't stop thanking him.
And yet, as for Jesus himself -- his core values of peace, his core teachings of social justice, his core commandments of goodwill -- most Evangelicals seem to have nothing but disdain.

And this is nothing new.
At the end of World War I, the more rabid, and often less educated Evangelicals decried the influence of the Social Gospel amongst liberal churches.
According to these self-proclaimed torch-bearers of a religion born in the Middle East, progressive church-goers had been infected by foreign ideas such as German Rationalism, Soviet-style Communism, and, of course, atheistic Darwinism.
In the 1950s, the anti-Social Gospel message piggybacked the rhetoric of anti-communism, which slashed and burned its way through the Old South and onward through the Sunbelt, turning liberal churches into vacant lots along the way.
It was here that the spirit and the body collided, leaving us with a prototypical Christian nationalist, hell-bent on prosperity.
Charity was thus rebranded as collectivism and self-denial gave way to the gospel of accumulation.
Church-to-church, sermon-to-sermon, evangelical preachers grew less comfortable with the fish and loaves Jesus who lived on earth, and more committed to the angry Jesus of the future.
By the 1990s, this divine Terminator gained "most-favored Jesus status" among America's mega churches; and with that, even the mention of the former "social justice" Messiah drove the socially conscious from their larger, meaner flock.

In addition to such historical developments, there may very well simply be an underlying, all-too-human social-psychological process at root, one that probably plays itself out among all religious individuals: they see in their religion what they want to see, and deny or despise the rest.
That is, religion is one big Rorschach test.
People look at the content of their religious tradition -- its teachings, its creeds, its prophet's proclamations -- and they basically pick and choose what suits their own secular outlook.
They see in their faith what they want to see as they live their daily lives, and simultaneously ignore the rest. And as is the case for most White Evangelical Christians, what they are ignoring is actually the very heart and soul of Jesus's message -- a message that emphasizes sharing, not greed.
Peace-making, not war-mongering. Love, not violence.

Of course, conservative Americans have every right to support corporate greed, militarism, gun possession, and the death penalty, and to oppose welfare, food stamps, health care for those in need, etc. -- it is just strange and contradictory when they claim these positions as somehow "Christian." They aren't.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
It feels to me like comtemporary evangelical Christianity is a philosophy devoted to personal strength, and the world is their egoistical mirror.

If you aren't one of them, and belong to some other covenant, you're weak.

If you need others to help you when it's perceived that you can stand in your own two feet, you're weak.

If you don't break down your kids to be obedient, wether it's through violence (spanking/slapping) or verbal abuse, you're weak.

If you break down through depression, or demonstrate anything but happiness and swaggering confidence, you're weak.

If your evangelical world doesn't intrude on people's lives politically to stop sin and stamp out abberant behavior, you're weak.

Evangelicals aren't allowed to just be in fellowship. . . They have to prove it. They have to be strong in faith, and in action, especially to each other.

They're pretty much the worst.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The OP reminds me of the Monday when I was sitting in a coffee shop at a table next to a couple of young Evangelical ladies who were discussing yesterday's sermon, which had been on Jesus' injunction to "Love Your Neighbor". It was impossible not to overhear their discussion. The two were quite sure that the "neighbors" Jesus meant them to love were other members of their church, and that the injunction didn't apply to anyone who was not a member of their church.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The OP reminds me of the Monday when I was sitting in a coffee shop at a table next to a couple of young Evangelical ladies who were discussing yesterday's sermon, which had been on Jesus' injunction to "Love Your Neighbor". It was impossible not to overhear their discussion. The two were quite sure that the "neighbors" Jesus meant them to love were other members of their church, and that the injunction didn't apply to anyone who was not a member of their church.

 

Talmai

Member
The American group Professor Zuckerman refers to as Evangelicals are what some of us know as conservative evangelicals. They are but one expression of the evangelical movement. I think observers would be more impressed with the dispositions of open evangelicals, but open evangelicals are mostly found in the Church of England over yonder. I pray open evangelicalism replaces conservative evangelicalism in America and wherever else conservative evangelicalism has a large adherence. Conservative evangelicalism is an embarasment to the Christian religion. Moreover, it gave a rather different meaning to the words evangelical and evangelicals, words that mean good things in the Lutheran tradition. My denomination is the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; for us evangelical means "Cross-centred" and "not legalistic;" it is a reference to our 16th century heritage, not the popular movement.

It is nice that the professor sees the absurdity of conservative evangelicals despising things that are more in line with Jesus' teachings on wealth, charity, and good will. However, these are not His core teachings. His emphases were things such as repentance, the Kingdom of God, the oncoming judgment, and Himself. Jesus' emphasis on these things makes a lot of people uncomfortable; the normal human being is inclined to justify his sins, society would rather have its own values than God's values, nobody wants to be accountable to God, and nobody likes a man who says with a straight face that He is God's only Son and will be seen in glory with angels. Hence charity, love, and peace must be the core values and the real emphases. These are good things but they are part of the whole package. Not to mention that a lot of Jesus' teachings on charity and love are meant to reveal to all of us that we fail big time!
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Find this interesting, so I post it here:

Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

by Phil Zuckerman,
Professor of Sociology
Pitzer College
Claremont, California

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (The Tea Party and Religion) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.
It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture.
Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.

Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness.
These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith.
And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture.
Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent.
And yet Evangelicals are the group of Americans most supportive of easy-access weaponry, little-to-no regulation of handgun and semi-automatic gun ownership, not to mention the violent military invasion of various countries around the world.
Jesus was very clear that the pursuit of wealth was inimical to the Kingdom of God, that the rich are to be condemned, and that to be a follower of Him means to give one's money to the poor.
And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of corporate greed and capitalistic excess, and they are the most opposed to institutional help for the nation's poor -- especially poor children.
They hate anything that smacks of "socialism," even though that is essentially what their Savior preached. They despise food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training -- anything that might dare to help out those in need.
Even though helping out those in need was exactly what Jesus urged humans to do.
In short, Evangelicals are that segment of America which is the most pro-militaristic, pro-gun, and pro-corporate, while simultaneously claiming to be most ardent lovers of the Prince of Peace.

What's the deal? Before attempting an answer, allow a quick clarification.
Evangelicals don't exactly hate Jesus -- as we've provocatively asserted in the title of this piece.
They do love him dearly. But not because of what he tried to teach humanity.
Rather, Evangelicals love Jesus for what he does for them.
Through his magical grace, and by shedding his precious blood, Jesus saves Evangelicals from everlasting torture in hell, and guarantees them a premium, luxury villa in heaven.
For this, and this only, they love him. They can't stop thanking him.
And yet, as for Jesus himself -- his core values of peace, his core teachings of social justice, his core commandments of goodwill -- most Evangelicals seem to have nothing but disdain.

And this is nothing new.
At the end of World War I, the more rabid, and often less educated Evangelicals decried the influence of the Social Gospel amongst liberal churches.
According to these self-proclaimed torch-bearers of a religion born in the Middle East, progressive church-goers had been infected by foreign ideas such as German Rationalism, Soviet-style Communism, and, of course, atheistic Darwinism.
In the 1950s, the anti-Social Gospel message piggybacked the rhetoric of anti-communism, which slashed and burned its way through the Old South and onward through the Sunbelt, turning liberal churches into vacant lots along the way.
It was here that the spirit and the body collided, leaving us with a prototypical Christian nationalist, hell-bent on prosperity.
Charity was thus rebranded as collectivism and self-denial gave way to the gospel of accumulation.
Church-to-church, sermon-to-sermon, evangelical preachers grew less comfortable with the fish and loaves Jesus who lived on earth, and more committed to the angry Jesus of the future.
By the 1990s, this divine Terminator gained "most-favored Jesus status" among America's mega churches; and with that, even the mention of the former "social justice" Messiah drove the socially conscious from their larger, meaner flock.

In addition to such historical developments, there may very well simply be an underlying, all-too-human social-psychological process at root, one that probably plays itself out among all religious individuals: they see in their religion what they want to see, and deny or despise the rest.
That is, religion is one big Rorschach test.
People look at the content of their religious tradition -- its teachings, its creeds, its prophet's proclamations -- and they basically pick and choose what suits their own secular outlook.
They see in their faith what they want to see as they live their daily lives, and simultaneously ignore the rest. And as is the case for most White Evangelical Christians, what they are ignoring is actually the very heart and soul of Jesus's message -- a message that emphasizes sharing, not greed.
Peace-making, not war-mongering. Love, not violence.

Of course, conservative Americans have every right to support corporate greed, militarism, gun possession, and the death penalty, and to oppose welfare, food stamps, health care for those in need, etc. -- it is just strange and contradictory when they claim these positions as somehow "Christian." They aren't.

The person who made those comments is ignorant of Christianity. God instituted the death penalty for murder, but it is liberals who think they are more compassionate than God.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
You can rest assured that if I thought you agreed with me, I'd double and triple check my reasoning.

That would be the prudent thing to do. You can rest assured there are 2 chances I will ever agree with you-- none and no chance at all.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The person who made those comments is ignorant of Christianity. God instituted the death penalty for murder, but it is liberals who think they are more compassionate than God.
Jesus made it clear that God is love not Death.
Some evangelicals have warped Jesus mission and teachings until they see the reverse of the truth.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.
No surprise, and I've been harping on this for quite a while. And we saw it being played out when so many (81% of evangelicals, according to one survey) voted for Trump, whose statements and actions were mostly the polar opposite of what Jesus taught. Some justify this because they didn't like Hillary, and she certainly wasn't my cup of tea either, but there were other options that they had.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Jesus made it clear that God is love not Death.
Some evangelicals have warped Jesus mission and teachings until they see the reverse of the truth.

Did God institute the death penalty or not? Are you more compassionate than God? The liberals want to disregard anything they don't like.

What about "You shall DIE in your sins. Is murder a sin?
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Did God institute the death penalty or not? Are you more compassionate than God? The liberals want to disregard anything they don't like.

What about "You shall DIE in your sins. Is murder a sin?

No he did not. Though the old Testament certainly seems to Major on it.
The various writers in the new Testament seems to be rather confused on the subject; with Jesus Remarking on the love of God and repentance and the forgiveness of sins. While in other books he harps back at old testament Ideals of Punishment and retribution for sin.
On balance His entire Ethos is on the the love of God and the First two commandments. So I tend to discount those writers who go against that.

I think the whole concept of Death and destruction are Human qualities, that some writers found hard to shake off from their Jewish backgrounds.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
No he did not. Though the old Testament certainly seems to Major on it.

Yes He did---Whoever sheds man;s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man---Gen 9:6. The OT doe snot major on the death penalty.

The various writers in the new Testament seems to be rather confused on the subject; with Jesus Remarking on the love of God and repentance and the forgiveness of sins. While in other books he harps back at old testament Ideals of Punishment and retribution for sin.
On balance His entire Ethos is on the the love of God and the First two commandments. So I tend to discount those writers who go against that.

It must be a great comfort to you to have the ability to know which verses God inspired.

I think the whole concept of Death and destruction are Human qualities, that some writers found hard to shake off from their Jewish backgrounds.

Death and destruciton was a way of life then and now. It is no limited to Judaism.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No he did not. Though the old Testament certainly seems to Major on it.
And even before Jesus was born there was a greater realization amongst the prophets, probably because of there being prisons and jails at those later times than when the Pentateuch was written, that "mercy" became more and more emphasized. As part of an oral tradition, one sage wrote that if there's more than one execution over seven years in all of eretz Israel, then the courts were being overly brutal. Even today in Israel, only mass murders or one involved in multiple murders have the chance for receiving capital punishment.

Those who believe they are "pro-life" but still believe in having capital punishment are only deluding themselves because there are other options.
 
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