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Featured European Christian Heritage

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, Oct 19, 2021.

  1. Rival

    Rival Dex Me Gart
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    Is being ruined.

    One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.

    That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.


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    Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.

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    “Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”


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    According to the most recent figures from France’s central criminal intelligence unit, 877 attacks on Catholic places of worship were recorded across the country in 2018 alone.

    “These figures have increased fivefold in only 10 years,” Lamaze said, noting that 129 churches were vandalized in 2008.


    Why France is losing one religious building every two weeks

    More than 10 churches a year are closing in Wales, figures have shown.

    Data from the Church in Wales showed 115 Anglican churches have closed over a 10-year period, about 8% of the total, with 1,319 still in use.


    110 Anglican churches closed in Wales in 10 years

    C of E bishop warns of church closures due to Covid financial losses

    Please stand up for your heritage, Europe! What is wrong with you?

    If someone were burning all the synagogues and mosques it'd be an outcry, but churches? That's fine. The state and the people will do nothing.

    I'm not a Christian and this upsets me. Get your act together, Europe.
     
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  2. mikkel_the_dane

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    Europe and its religion is not the world.
     
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  3. Rival

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    It's Europe's heritage and culture I'm worried about, not the whole world.
     
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    The same people who see this as "progress" are the ones who cry loadest about the "crimes" of the Christians for presiding over the same process in classical antiquity regarding the material culture of the various paganisms.

    Few will put 2 and 2 together.
     
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  5. mikkel_the_dane

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    Yeah, I am not.
     
  6. Rival

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    Your disregard for your heritage, the people who built your nation, if you will excuse me, I find disgusting,
     
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    My heritage is Greek Skepticism. Not Christianity. I find it in your standard disgusting.
     
  8. Rival

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    No it isn't. Whether you like it or not if you live in Europe and have European ancestry your heritage is Christianity. You don't get to change that because you don't like it. What do you think will happen when all the churches are closed? Mass atheism? I doubt it.
     
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  9. mikkel_the_dane

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    Stop judging my belief system based on yours.
     
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    This is not a belief system. If you read my OP you'd see I'm not a Christian.

    If your ancestors were Christians, your heritage is Christian. That's literally how this works.
     
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    My parents would always visit churches to see the architecture, art and stained glass. I'd go to the local church just as a quiet place to calm down from a busy day at work during my lunch break after I had my sandwiches on a seat by the river. So I agree this is a loss and the buildings should be preserved, even if I'm not someone who would attend a religious service.
     
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  12. mikkel_the_dane

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    Yes, what is why I am a social democrat. It is a version based on a version of Christianity without the need for a belief in the religion as for God and Jesus. We just stole some of the social and ethical rules. Of course I am Christian in that sense, yet I am also not Christian.
     
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    I never called you a Christian. I said our heritage is Christian and we should protect it.
     
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    I remember vaguely how multiple French millionaire families would publically pitch in to a renovation program for Notre Dame; after they got their names in the press, the donations never seemed to materialize, possible due to divine or infernal intervention.
     
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    No, we should learn from it and try to make it better. I am a progressive.
     
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    This is what the Christians thought they were doing when they took over the Pagans.

    See Augustus' post.
     
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    You want me to use money to save buildings. I will rather save humans.
     
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    The humans can take care of themselves.

    The buildings can't.

    And are you ecstatic about the skyrocketing amount of mosques in France? Do you think this is 'progress'?
     
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    Pray tell, what exactly bothers you about mosques in France?
     
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    No, you're missing the point. He seems to think this is progress.

    And yes, I am actually really upset by churches closing. I was watching a segment on YT about it and I couldn't even finish it upset me too much.

    Why do you Europeans hate your heritage?
     
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