EU Elections 2019

[Augustus]

In the UK the Anti Brexit Vote was 40.4% (Lib Dems; Green; SNP; Plaid Cymru; Change UK)
The pro-Brexit vote was 34.9% (UKIP & Brexit Party)

ignoring Labour, Tories and Independents

So, "Will of the people" will now be REMAIN

So if we ignore 2 of the main parties, and arbitrarily assume the only reason for selecting a party was Brexit, and ignore the fact it was a 35% turnout and that many more people would have voted if it was a 'referendum' on Brexit, then it sort of cancels out an actual referendum that all parties entered into under the assumption that the result would decide the fate of the UK in the EU?

You may oppose Brexit, but that is a terrible argument.

 

[Altfish]

So if we ignore 2 of the main parties, and arbitrarily assume the only reason for selecting a party was Brexit, and ignore the fact it was a 35% turnout and that many more people would have voted if it was a 'referendum' on Brexit, then it sort of cancels out an actual referendum that all parties entered into under the assumption that the result would decide the fate of the UK in the EU?

You may oppose Brexit, but that is a terrible argument.

No, it is not.

I did not say it cancels the Referendum result, I said it negates any "Will of the People" arguments.
You say 'ignore the main parties' but they came 3rd and 5th - both had mixed messages on Brexit.
The parties I listed all had definite IN or OUT policies.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, it is not.

I did not say it cancels the Referendum result, I said it negates any "Will of the People" arguments.
You say 'ignore the main parties' but they cam 3rd and 5th - both had mixed messages on Brexit.
The parties I listed all had definite IN or OUT policies.

Farage has the full support from the two Italian parties in charge, from Marine Le Pen.
Labor Party...only 14%...that is a tremendeous defeat.

 

[Altfish]

Farage has the full support from the two Italian parties in charge, from Marine Le Pen.
Labor Party...only 14%...that is a tremendous defeat.

Better than 9.1% for the Tories; 3.3% by UKIP and off the scale for Stephen Yaxley Lennon

The EU elections have always been a protest vote in the UK; Greens have always fared well.

 

[Altfish]

Farage has the full support from the two Italian parties in charge, from Marine Le Pen.

I notice that you are ignoring Spain, Holland where the socialists won.
If you add all the centre and left parties in the UK; I think the right got a beating.

 

[Estro Felino]

I notice that you are ignoring Spain, Holland where the socialists won.
If you add all the centre and left parties in the UK; I think the right got a beating.

But France and Italy are respectively the 3rd and the 4th power in Europe.
Germany will be isolated...while the next British PM can count on Italy

 

[Augustus]

I did not say it cancels the Referendum result, I said it negates any "Will of the People" arguments.

Makes no difference. That is still a truly awful, nonsensical argument. Might as well say it means the "will of the people" is that Farage becomes chief Brexit negotiator or even PM.

You say 'ignore the main parties' but they came 3rd and 5th - both had mixed messages on Brexit.
The parties I listed all had definite IN or OUT policies.

If only this were a "Brexit election" rather than something completely different than you may have a point.

Unfortunately it wasn't, and you don't.

"25% of people voted for parties with no clear stance on Brexit yet we should consider the vote to be comparable to a referendum on Brexit just because some people voted based on Brexit, even though a large but unspecified number didn't as it suits my ideological leanings to paint it this way."

There is precisely a 0% chance you wouldn't ridicule such idiotic logic if the boot was on the other foot.

 

[Altfish]

If only this were a "Brexit election" rather than something completely different than you may have a point.

So those who voted Brexit Party were not trying to say something?

 

[Notanumber]

No, but the Referendum wasn't the will of ALL the people either? And it was closer than yesterday's vote.

Nigel says it is still 52% for leaving.

 

[Altfish]

Nigel says it is still 52% for leaving.

Well, you do surprise me.
Who'd have thought that?

 

[Estro Felino]

I hope these results convince the people out there that most Italians fiercely hate this EU.

That is...if you want to help Italy destroy the Europe of bankers and rebuild the Europe of Sovereign Nations, we will be there for you.

 

[Notanumber]

Well, you do surprise me.
Who'd have thought that?

You know what they say about statistics. Nigel’s guess is as good as yours is.

 

[Augustus]

So those who voted Brexit Party were not trying to say something?

Do you understand that a single issue party standing in a parliamentary election does not make the election itself a kind of referendum on that specific issue?

A parliamentary election, is an election for selecting members of parliament. It is fought on many different issues. For example, why should a vote for the Greens be seen as a vote for remain, rather than a vote for environmentalism? For many people, the latter is a far more important issue than Brexit.

 

[Altfish]

Do you understand that a single issue party standing in a parliamentary election does not make the election itself a kind of referendum on that specific issue?

A parliamentary election, is an election for selecting members of parliament. It is fought on many different issues. For example, why should a vote for the Greens be seen as a vote for remain, rather than a vote for environmentalism? For many people, the latter is a far more important issue than Brexit.

Do you understand what the Brexit Party's manifesto was?

 

[Augustus]

Do you understand what the Brexit Party's manifesto was?

You don't appear to understand why this doesn't matter.

Do you understand that a single issue party standing in a parliamentary election does not make the election itself a kind of referendum on that specific issue?

You have just clarified that you do not.

 

[Altfish]

You don't appear to understand why this doesn't matter.

You have just clarified that you do not.

Yo have clearly demonstrated that you don't understand The Brexit party's manifesto.

It had none; it was all about delivering the referendum result and so they had NO other policies in their manifesto.
By doing so they made this a single issue election.

 

[Notanumber]

Yo have clearly demonstrated that you don't understand The Brexit party's manifesto.

It had none; it was all about delivering the referendum result and so they had NO other policies in their manifesto.
By doing so they made this a single issue election.

Their unwritten manifesto was democracy!

 

[Augustus]

Yo have clearly demonstrated that you don't understand The Brexit party's manifesto.

It had none; it was all about delivering the referendum result and so they had NO other policies in their manifesto.
By doing so they made this a single issue election.

I didn't think you could actually make your argument any less rational than it was previously, yet here we are.

If I started a "Don't Punch Monkeys in the Face Party" and stood in the general election, would that make the general election a single issue election?

(Now just apply the same logic to the Brexit Party)

 

[Altfish]

I didn't think you could actually make your argument any less rational than it was previously, yet here we are.

If I started a "Don't Punch Monkeys in the Face Party" and stood in the general election, would that make the general election a single issue election?

(Now just apply the same logic to the Brexit Party)

If it had no other policies, then YES

 

[Augustus]

If it had no other policies, then YES

So when my party failed to get many votes we could declare that the will of the British people was that monkeys were fair game for a smack in the chops?

I can't believe you are so invested in your irrational position you are *actually* arguing that a random person starting a party about monkey face punching would turn a national general election into a single issue plebiscite on monkey face punching