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Establishment Democrats Choosing Your Candidate Through Fear

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I am glad to see that Bernie Sanders is still going strong despite many efforts to delegitimize his campaign by establishment democrats and their respective propaganda outlets by spreading lies, half truth's, and smears. I find it interesting and not the least bit concerning that the same lies are repeated with seemingly very little concern paid to the reality that at base the democratic party and it's running dogs/media stooges are rotten to the core. We need not fear meddling in the form of a few funny pictures or silly and easily dismissed fake news from so called Russian trolls or any other foreign entity as the source of the vast majority of it if not exclusively are the lies and manipulations from domestic sources whispering in our ears 24/7. The most common manipulation we have seen over and over again is the Russian influence/Nazi claim for anyone that the establishment does not prefer from Trump to Tulsi Gabbard to Bernie Sanders.

Video of Hillary Clinton still blaming Russia for her 2016 loss and intimating that Sanders is a Russian asset, There is another video of her making this exact same claim word for word like reading a script in a different setting:



"Amid that lining up of forces against him, Sanders replied, well, with fire of his own. Asked by a reporter about the endorsements, Sanders said this:
"Look, it is no secret -- The Washington Post has 16 articles a day on this -- there is a massive effort to stop Bernie Sanders. That's not a secret to anyone in this room. The corporate establishment is coming together, the political establishment is coming together, and they will do anything and everything. They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up.
"And by the way, when we talk about South Carolina, and when we talk about other states, we are winning working-class voters by big numbers. So they're nervous that working-class people are standing up for decent wages. They're nervous that we are prepared to take on the fossil fuel industry to try to save this planet. And they're nervous that more and more Americans understand that health care is a human right, not a privilege. So it doesn't surprise me, alright?""


" in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper before a town hall in Minnesota, Sanders sounded a very similar warning/message:
"We have shown from day one taking on the establishment. Whether it's the corporate establishment on Wall Street, the drug company, the insurance companies, the fossil fuel industry or the political establishment. Let me be very clear, it is no surprise they do not want me to become president because our administration will transform this country to create an economy and a government that works for all of the people, not just the 1%." "
"We're all getting a little sick of Sanders and his 'corporate wing' of the Democratic Party BS," tweeted former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart, a CNN contributor."

source:
Democratic establishment and Bernie Sanders go to war - CNNPolitics

More on claims that Sanders is a Russian asset:
"How to explain Bernie Sanders' rise? Mainstream media looks to Russian "meddling"


Mainstream media jumped on thinly-sourced reports of Russian assistance to Sanders — which were walked back"

" if Bernie Sanders or another progressive movement picked up steam, corporate media would claim that "any challenge to the establishment is likely a Kremlin-funded astroturf effort."
"Russiagate allows them to ignore calls for change and not scrutinize why they lost to the most unpopular presidential candidate in history. "
"Despite being perhaps the major politics story of the last three years, Russiagate ultimately ended in a flop for those most committed to it. Robert Mueller's extensive report found no collusion, and Donald Trump was not removed from office. Contrary to media narratives, the walls were not closing in on Trump, and he stands a strong chance of re-election in November."
source:
How to explain Bernie Sanders' rise? Mainstream media looks to Russian "meddling" | Salon.com

Chris Matthews apologizing (out of one side of his mouth) for likening Bernie Sanders rise to the Nazi brownshirts, starts at 0:53 :
Of course we need not mention the Trump/Russia fiction or the Nazi comparisons but maybe a little less remembered are the same exact claims made against Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset and supported by Nazis, lest we forget:
" Clinton made the remark on Campaign HQ with David Plouffe. “I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians,” said Clinton, apparently referring to Rep. Gabbard, who’s been accused of receiving support from Russian bots and the Russian news media. “They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.” "

source:
Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate

Good thing is Gabbard is now suing Hillary clinton:
"The Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard is suing Hillary Clinton for defamation, alleging the 2016 nominee described her as a “Russian asset” and claiming more than $50m in damages."
"Gabbard, who sued Google in July 2019, also claiming $50m, filed the lawsuit in the southern district of New York. She claims that in October 2019 Clinton “falsely stated” that Gabbard “is a ‘Russian asset’”.

“Clinton’s false assertions were made in a deliberate attempt to derail Tulsi’s presidential campaign,” the filing says.
The lawsuit claims: “The defamatory statements have caused Tulsi to lose potential donors and potential voters who heard the defamatory statements. Tulsi has suffered significant actual damages, personally and professionally, that are estimated to exceed $50m – and continue to this day.”"
source:
Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50m over 'Russian asset' remark | US news | The Guardian

Is there much anger or outrage at deliberate attempts to undermine democracy by domestic sources within the democratic party and in politically aligned U.S. media itself? It doesn't seem like much attention is being paid to this preferring to point the fingers elsewhere blaming others for your own internal rot. Don't feel bad I guess, the same drivel was used in the U.K., French, and German elections.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
So what do you think of the Trump stooges who are actively trying to embitter Sander's Democrats towards Biden Democrats in order to split the Party and help reelect Trump? Do you think they will succeed?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I am glad to see that Bernie Sanders is still going strong despite many efforts to delegitimize his campaign by establishment democrats and their respective propaganda outlets by spreading lies, half truth's, and smears. I find it interesting and not the least bit concerning that the same lies are repeated with seemingly very little concern paid to the reality that at base the democratic party and it's running dogs/media stooges are rotten to the core. We need not fear meddling in the form of a few funny pictures or silly and easily dismissed fake news from so called Russian trolls or any other foreign entity as the source of the vast majority of it if not exclusively are the lies and manipulations from domestic sources whispering in our ears 24/7. The most common manipulation we have seen over and over again is the Russian influence/Nazi claim for anyone that the establishment does not prefer from Trump to Tulsi Gabbard to Bernie Sanders.

Video of Hillary Clinton still blaming Russia for her 2016 loss and intimating that Sanders is a Russian asset, There is another video of her making this exact same claim word for word like reading a script in a different setting:



"Amid that lining up of forces against him, Sanders replied, well, with fire of his own. Asked by a reporter about the endorsements, Sanders said this:
"Look, it is no secret -- The Washington Post has 16 articles a day on this -- there is a massive effort to stop Bernie Sanders. That's not a secret to anyone in this room. The corporate establishment is coming together, the political establishment is coming together, and they will do anything and everything. They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up.
"And by the way, when we talk about South Carolina, and when we talk about other states, we are winning working-class voters by big numbers. So they're nervous that working-class people are standing up for decent wages. They're nervous that we are prepared to take on the fossil fuel industry to try to save this planet. And they're nervous that more and more Americans understand that health care is a human right, not a privilege. So it doesn't surprise me, alright?""


" in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper before a town hall in Minnesota, Sanders sounded a very similar warning/message:
"We have shown from day one taking on the establishment. Whether it's the corporate establishment on Wall Street, the drug company, the insurance companies, the fossil fuel industry or the political establishment. Let me be very clear, it is no surprise they do not want me to become president because our administration will transform this country to create an economy and a government that works for all of the people, not just the 1%." "
"We're all getting a little sick of Sanders and his 'corporate wing' of the Democratic Party BS," tweeted former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart, a CNN contributor."

source:
Democratic establishment and Bernie Sanders go to war - CNNPolitics

More on claims that Sanders is a Russian asset:
"How to explain Bernie Sanders' rise? Mainstream media looks to Russian "meddling"


Mainstream media jumped on thinly-sourced reports of Russian assistance to Sanders — which were walked back"

" if Bernie Sanders or another progressive movement picked up steam, corporate media would claim that "any challenge to the establishment is likely a Kremlin-funded astroturf effort."
"Russiagate allows them to ignore calls for change and not scrutinize why they lost to the most unpopular presidential candidate in history. "
"Despite being perhaps the major politics story of the last three years, Russiagate ultimately ended in a flop for those most committed to it. Robert Mueller's extensive report found no collusion, and Donald Trump was not removed from office. Contrary to media narratives, the walls were not closing in on Trump, and he stands a strong chance of re-election in November."
source:
How to explain Bernie Sanders' rise? Mainstream media looks to Russian "meddling" | Salon.com

Chris Matthews apologizing (out of one side of his mouth) for likening Bernie Sanders rise to the Nazi brownshirts, starts at 0:53 :
Of course we need not mention the Trump/Russia fiction or the Nazi comparisons but maybe a little less remembered are the same exact claims made against Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset and supported by Nazis, lest we forget:
" Clinton made the remark on Campaign HQ with David Plouffe. “I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians,” said Clinton, apparently referring to Rep. Gabbard, who’s been accused of receiving support from Russian bots and the Russian news media. “They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.” "

source:
Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate

Good thing is Gabbard is now suing Hillary clinton:
"The Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard is suing Hillary Clinton for defamation, alleging the 2016 nominee described her as a “Russian asset” and claiming more than $50m in damages."
"Gabbard, who sued Google in July 2019, also claiming $50m, filed the lawsuit in the southern district of New York. She claims that in October 2019 Clinton “falsely stated” that Gabbard “is a ‘Russian asset’”.

“Clinton’s false assertions were made in a deliberate attempt to derail Tulsi’s presidential campaign,” the filing says.
The lawsuit claims: “The defamatory statements have caused Tulsi to lose potential donors and potential voters who heard the defamatory statements. Tulsi has suffered significant actual damages, personally and professionally, that are estimated to exceed $50m – and continue to this day.”"
source:
Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50m over 'Russian asset' remark | US news | The Guardian

Is there much anger or outrage at deliberate attempts to undermine democracy by domestic sources within the democratic party and in politically aligned U.S. media itself? It doesn't seem like much attention is being paid to this preferring to point the fingers elsewhere blaming others for your own internal rot. Don't feel bad I guess, the same drivel was used in the U.K., French, and German elections.

I don't think Russia or Clinton had much to do with it. What a number of folks said was they don't trust the government with their health care and thought free education wouldn't be fair. They are just not ready for more socialism.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Actually all the polls show an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters in the primaries support Medicare for all, they just didn't all vote for Sanders.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
So what do you think of the Trump stooges who are actively trying to embitter Sander's Democrats towards Biden Democrats in order to split the Party and help reelect Trump? Do you think they will succeed?

How about addressing the topic at hand instead of deflecting to Trump. I have given clear and well documented examples in print and video form from those involved to support my claims and observations. Can you honestly say Hillary is not meddling in a disingenuous way? I am guessing she was your choice in 2016 hence the deflection from the obvious.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
How about addressing the topic at hand instead of deflecting to Trump. I have given clear and well documented examples in print and video form from those involved to support my claims and observations. Can you honestly say Hillary is not meddling in a disingenuous way? I am guessing she was your choice in 2016 hence the deflection from the obvious.

Do you think the views and opinions of a Trump-cult follower should count with people who are not Trump-cult followers?
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Actually all the polls show an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters in the primaries support Medicare for all, they just didn't all vote for Sanders.

They're scared, for some it seems instead of voting for what they have claimed to believe in and support some want Trump out so badly that they are willing to compromise in a very big way. Establishment Democrats want Biden because he is the status quo and will not rock the boat, therefore they will use any means necessary to support him and diminish his rivals. I will not lie and say I support Bernie Sanders policies but out of the two Bernie Sanders does represent change and I don't see him having any more or less chance at beating Trump than Biden.
I look at it like this, the polling numbers for Biden and Bernie are not that far off and Trump is likely to win anyway in 2020. If you are most likely going to lose anyway and you have the option of what you really want vs. What you settle for because you want to play it safe you might as well go all in and vote for who and what you really want. You might lose anyway but you can say that you didn't settle for second best against what your conscience told you.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't think Russia or Clinton had much to do with it. What a number of folks said was they don't trust the government with their health care and thought free education wouldn't be fair. They are just not ready for more socialism.
I think Bernie would fail at delivering socialism.
But I do think we'd see more peace with him.
So he'd get my vote in November.
Biden...I'd have to give him some thought.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Hillary who?

Hillary Clinton, you know the one who suffered a humiliating loss in 2016 and has been blaming everyone but herself for it since then. She just can't keep her nose and potential influence out of it even to the point of knowingly misleading and or lying about democratic hopefuls for 2020, this is the only reason she is mentioned.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I think Bernie would fail at delivering socialism.
But I do think we'd see more peace with him.
So he'd get my vote in November.
I don't think he'd be able to deliver either. Didn't really mind if he won.

So he'd get my vote in November.
Biden...I'd have to give him some thought.

Biden I suspect would just be a puppet for the swamp.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
So what do you think of the Trump stooges who are actively trying to embitter Sander's Democrats towards Biden Democrats in order to split the Party and help reelect Trump? Do you think they will succeed?

What is to be feared is the blocking of people, especial black and other minorities, from voting. And with this administration there is no protection from the justice dept.
 
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