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Drum 'n Bass.

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Violet.
YmirGF said:
I wouldn't dream of being critical of your knowledge of music UV, but I am curious, where does one draw the line?
In theory, twanging on a rubber band accompanied by beating on a Tupperware container could be deemed music.
Is there ANY particular point where noise becomes music?
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I really have no idea.:shrug:

I was only making the point that you can't put down line art in black,
on the basis that you can't analyze a complex color palate there.

Cut and paste collage can only be compared to a fine art oil painting
in compositionally broader terms.

One tends to be more arts and crafts.... the other more a well crafted art...
But the artistic lines can be crossed in sometimes subtle ways.
A well executed cut and paste collage can be of far more interest
than a perfectly executed still life in oils.
Composition, use of medium, asthetic intent... ??

I personally give brownie points for creativity and balls.
Even if I don't personally connect with the creation.

I'm more interested in the experience of a thing than it's analysis anyway.

If I connect with a thing for one reason or another,
I'm more interested in the connection and the experience,
than what it should be labeled.
The labels are an afterthought.


Perhaps it's fair to call the Yoko thing more of an experience in sound,
than "music" persay.
Maybe so for some of the D&B as well?
Experimental sound would be kids on rubber bands and tupperware?

But then so much of what we would all clearly call music...
is so vanilla and pop...
same old same old...
well, people like vanilla and pop.
So what am I to say of it.

I don't drink soda and I rarely eat icecream.

But my "staples" in diet and taste can also become same old same old
if I'm not open to new approaches, fusions, and inspirations.
Even unpredictability can become predictable.

Now all I'm doing is thinking out loud... somewhat randomly on a thinning theme....

I think Yoko twisted my brain.
 
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Violet.
You know, I really don't care,
but you are a real jerk.

You seem to be impressed by certain circles of names,
but you do not hold a candle to their class of personhood.
Some of the greats in jazz I've been privlidged to know
spoke their music with fire, and their words with humble eloquence.

Even characters like Reggie Workman, who were more hard edged
did not come down on us out of pride,
but in love.
 
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Violet.
I also find it interesting BTW,
that you who are so quick to slam everybody else
who actually has recordings to share...

have not one single recording of your own greatness to share with us.:sarcastic
Just a bunch of excuses for your nothing to show.

Richardlowellt. The ultimate recording minimalist.
 
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YmirGF said:
I wouldn't dream of being critical of your knowledge of music UV, but I am curious, where does one draw the line?
In theory, twanging on a rubber band accompanied by beating on a Tupperware container could be deemed music.
Is there ANY particular point where noise becomes music?
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Just to jump in here... John Cage's 4 Minutes 33 Seconds really helped to show that there is no one answer, certain peoples' objections notwithstanding.

The performer gets on stage and does not play any of the instruments that are around, for the entire 4 33 length of the piece. The 'music' consists of any noises from the audience or other ambient noises. Mr. Cage firmly believed that anything can be music.

To me, music is like humor... What I find funny others do not. It doesn't make me wrong, because I'm the one who gets to decide for me. Even if someone who claims to teach classes in humorology ;) tells me that what I think is funny isn't really humor, I rest assured that nobody "owns" the definition.
 
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richardlowellt

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UltraViolet said:
You know, I really don't care,
but you are a real jerk.

You seem to be impressed by certain circles of names,
but you do not hold a candle to their class of personhood.
Some of the greats in jazz I've been privlidged to know
spoke their music with fire, and their words with humble eloquence.

Even characters like Reggie Workman, who were more hard edged
did not come down on us out of pride,
but in love.
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Nice sermon, you should try your hand at preaching, I'll bet you'd be good at it.
 
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richardlowellt

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UltraViolet said:
I also find it interesting BTW,
that you who are so quick to slam everybody else
who actually has recordings to share...
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Now, Now, I never "slammed" your music did I? I only offered suggestions on how you might improve it, but you were so full of yourself you thought it was beyond any improvements. I always find thing I wish I had done differently after hearing a performance on my music, and readily take suggestions from my colleagues, it appears you are above that, talk about one's own "greatness"






have not one single recording of your own greatness to share with us.:sarcastic
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Correct I would be hesitant to share my music with people who think random machine noises are music, that formless, harmonic and melodically void music constitutes creativity, no I'll reserve my music for those who know how music works.





Just a bunch of excuses for your nothing to show.

Richardlowellt. The ultimate recording minimalist.
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Hey, have a nice day, and if I were you, I'd work on some harmonic development, maybe experiment with so music contained within a form, just a suggestion, although I know your above that, good luck.
 
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richardlowellt

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Wandered Off said:
Just to jump in here... John Cage's 4 Minutes 33 Seconds really helped to show that there is no one answer, certain peoples' objections notwithstanding.

The performer gets on stage and does not play any of the instruments that are around, for the entire 4 33 length of the piece. The 'music' consists of any noises from the audience or other ambient noises. Mr. Cage firmly believed that anything can be music.
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Anything can't be music, you can call an egg a pear, but it's always going to be an egg, you can call someone farting music, but it's not, music has parameters, it contains basic elements that make it MUSIC, Call John Cages piece random sounds but you can't call it music.

To me, music is like humor...
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No it's not, as you said what's funny to me may be total dead pan from you, the very basic elements that make up music are objective, it has to have one or a combination of rhythm, melody, and harmony, how you perceive these combination is subjective.
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Violet.
richardlowellt said:
Hey, have a nice day, and if I were you, I'd work on some harmonic development, maybe experiment with so music contained within a form, just a suggestion, although I know your above that, good luck.
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You are the most presumptuous person I have ever cared not to know.

You have never heard a single thru composed thing I have ever done,
not one,
yet you somehow know what I am and am not capable of.

I have been recording and sharing my 'free form' improv for a reason.

And the reason I have not shared any of my composed music,
be they songs or instrumental,
is none of it is copyrighted.

And yet STILL you share nothing at all.

And why? Because you are so superior to everyone. We know. :sarcastic

And for your info...
since you like college professors, and name dropping and all that,
the panel of actual gigging AND recording NYC jazz musicians
(each with their OWN name)
who rated my senior performance jury,
all commented very positively on my harmonic ability.
Chord voicings... stylistic use of passing chords... etc...

Harmony was where I focused my attention as a pianist in school
asking questions of every great player there
(teacher and student alike)
where other students largely focused on linear soloing.

While I was one of the "younger" jazz students there,
I was OFTEN complimented for my harmonic sense and ability.
And that was 20 years ago.
Yes, I am a grown up, *rolls eyes*
and have been a professional musician
and teacher of music for MANY years.

Please do not act like I need you as some mentor or professor.
It's a joke.
You know NOTHING about me.
nothing.

Put your music up.
Or shut up.

You know how I imporve my musicianship at this point in my life?
By listening.
I don't need anyone to "tell me stuff".
I'm perfectly able to transcribe anything.
What do you think I am,
some kid? I have been doing this for YEARS.
I don't need written music.
No, not even to hear my way through a jazz head/progression.:rolleyes:

Your aggrandized self arrogance makes you look more foolish
with every single post.
You are REALLY going to embarass yourself someday.
Acting like an *** with the wrong musician.


*UV would love to know what college RL teaches at,
so as never to recommend it to any of her own students*
 
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richardlowellt

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and have been a professional musician
and teacher of music for MANY years.Oh I didn't realize you made your living performing a writing music, no one to support you, just you putting bread on the table by performing and writing, as that what being a "professional" musician means. And how many years have you been self sufficient with no other income other than playing and writing? Just curious.






No, not even to hear my way through a jazz head/progression.:rolleyes:
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Really, I would love to hear you "hear" your way through Invitation, if you didn't know it, or Bill Evan's The Dolphin, or Lotus Blossom, how about Stablemates.
 
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