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Does the Qur'an permit Drinking?

A Thousand Suns

Rationalist
This doesn't seem to me a condemnation of drinking alcohol, but a condemnation of spending beyond your means on alcohol. Also, the Qur'an mentions that one of the things that defiles prayer is a state of drunkeness, meaning technically one could be drunk at prayer time.

All intoxicants including Alcohol are forbidden according to Qu'ran 90:91...the verse you quoted was revealed at the time when Alcohol wasn't forbidden...here's an explanation on wikipedia:


In Islam, alcoholic beverages—or any intoxicant—are strictly forbidden "harām". Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (In Surah Al-Baqarah: 219, it states "They ask Thee concerning Wine and Gambling, Say: In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit."). This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). In addition to this, most observant Muslims refrain from consuming food products that contain pure vanilla extract or soy sauce if these food products contain alcohol; there is some debate about whether the prohibition extends to dishes in which the alcohol would be cooked off or if it would be practically impossible to consume enough of the food to become intoxicated.[2][3] The Zaidi and Mutazili sects believe that the use of alcohol as always been forbidden and refer to this Qur'an Ayah (4:43) as feeling of sleepiness and not to be awake.

 

Bob Dixon

>implying
How do Muslims reconcile this with Jesus' drinking of wine?

Now, obviously, Jesus wouldn't've gotten drunk or anything stupid like that. It was more of a ceremonial thing. But still!
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Assalamualaikum people.

Interesting points raised here.

Firstly, the Wikipedia quote near the very end by "A thousand suns" is quite true. The banning of alcohol was a step-wise process.

Secondly, when Quran states there are more harms than benefits it is an eternal truth stated by the Quran that holds for everything. There is nothing ... nothing completely bad and nothing completely good for consumption. Everything has benefits and disadvantages and the Quran forbade that which was overall disadvantageous to us. In fact, unlike many laws found in other religions that seem to exist as if God wants to stamp His authority on His subjects the Quran philosophically/logically justifies its instructions to mankind. So, in this case (like every other) it is not that alcohol is bad completely but that alcohol is mostly bad and therefore it's consumption is forbidden.

Bob, the Quran does not state that Jesus drank wine. Therefore, many Muslims would simply reject the part of the Bible that states he did. You may know that Muslims believe the Bible WAS the word of God but has suffered much interpolation.
It is also believed that he may have drunk it for some medical reason as it was not forbidden explicitly. Or something to that effect.
 

muslim-

Active Member
To me there are lots of things the Qur'an permits or is silent on that Muslims only view as bad because hadiths or scholars tell them.

And theres a few that choose to make up their own beliefs and reject mutawatir sayings of the prophet peace be upon him, thus making up a new religion that has nothing to do with Islam and the message prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent with, and understand things very differently than those who were the closest to him.
 

muslim-

Active Member
How do Muslims reconcile this with Jesus' drinking of wine?

Now, obviously, Jesus wouldn't've gotten drunk or anything stupid like that. It was more of a ceremonial thing. But still!

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said "Whatever makes you drunk if you drink much of it, then even little of it is haram"

We dont think Jesus drank wine or accept bibical narrations as authentic. We have a whole field/science to study authenticity of hadeeths even and dont accept just anything. Even if we assumed that Jesus did, then it would clearly be because the religious laws were different.

We do believe all messengers had the same message of monotheism eliminating any "middle men", but they didnt have the same Shariah laws.
 

AhmadSyahir

Active Member
Qur'an 2:219
They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit."

And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.


This doesn't seem to me a condemnation of drinking alcohol, but a condemnation of spending beyond your means on alcohol. Also, the Qur'an mentions that one of the things that defiles prayer is a state of drunkeness, meaning technically one could be drunk at prayer time.

No deep thought is needed in this matter. You know that alcohol is useful for treatment and you can make a lot of money from gambling. If you list yourself the disadvantage of both consuming alcholic drink gambling, it will be more than the benefit.

Who say that we can't consume alcoholic drink? Indeed we can do whatever we want. But in Islam, it's a great sin. The prayer will not be accepted. Simple.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I can understand not to drink to excess, to the point of being intoxicated. That's bad regardless whether religion prohibit or not.

But I also understand back then, drinking water carried far greater risk than drinking wine or beer. Water was and still is dangerous, if the water is not properly filtered.
 
It doesn't say that it is forbidden, but it does say that there is more sin in it than goodness. Like in another verse of the Quran, it says that you must not come to the prayers in a state where you don't know what you are saying (ie: drunk)...it says that you must come back when you are not in a drunken state.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Health Effects of Alcohol Consumption

Arthritis
Increases risk of gouty arthritis
Cancer
Increases the risk of cancer in the liver, pancreas, rectum, breast, mouth, pharynx, larynx and esophagus
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
Causes physical and behavioral abnormalities in the fetus
Heart Disease
Raises blood pressure, blood lipids and the risk of stroke and heart disease in heavy drinkers.
Heart disease is generally lower in light to moderate drinkers.
Hyperglycermia
Raises blood glucose
Hypoglycemia
Lowers blood glucose, especially for people with diabetes
Kidney Disease
Enlarges the kidneys, alters hormone functions, and increases the risk of kidney failure
Liver Disease
Causes fatty liver, alcoholic hepatitis and cirrhosis
Malnutrition
Increases the risk of protein-energy malnutrition,; low intakes of protein,
calcium, iron, vitamin A, vitamin C, thiamine, vitamin B6 and riboflavin,
and impaired absorption of calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D and zinc.
Nervous Disorders
Causes neuropathy and dementia; impairs balance and memory
Obesity
Increases energy intake, but not a primary cause of obesity
Psychological disturbances
Causes depression, anxiety and insomnia



God knows better what is good and what is bad for us,he did not say to us for example
not to drink a fresh fruit juice but asked us to avoid the alcoholic drinks because it has
a bad effect on our bodies and brains,for God,whether we drink or not,will not affect him
by any means, but he direct us for what is good for us becuase he knows better.
 
Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (2:219). This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). (Note - the Qur'an is not arranged chronologically, so later verses of the book were not necessarily revealed after earlier verses.) In the first verse cited above, the word for "intoxicated" is sukara which is derived from the word "sugar" and means drunk or intoxicated. That verse doesn't mention the drink which makes one so. In the next verses cited, the word which is often translated as "wine" or "intoxicants" is al-khamr, which is related to the verb "to ferment." This word could be used to describe other intoxicants such as beer, although wine is the most common understanding of the word.
Muslims interpret these verses in total to forbid any intoxicating substance -- whether it be wine, beer, gin, whiskey, or whatever. The result is the same, and the Qur'an outlines that it is the intoxication, which makes one forgetful of God and prayer, which is harmful. Over the years, the list of intoxicating substances has come to include more modern street drugs and the like.
The Prophet Muhammad also instructed his followers, at the time, to avoid any intoxicating substances -- (paraphrased) "if it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount." For this reason, most observant Muslims avoid alcohol in any form, even small amounts that are sometimes used in cooking.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Simple answer anything that harms your body is forbidden that's why in the her-after you will be able to drink sort of a wine that won't harm you.

Also new research shows that Alcohol almost has no benefitions but only wrong-doings even if its a little.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The Qur'an clearly forbids consuming any kind of intoxicant:

"Ye who believe intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, of Satan's handiwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.", 5:90

"Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?", 5:91

"Obey God, and obey the apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is our apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.", 5:92
 
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mohammad_rayhan

Was Atheist, Now a Muslim
Peace Bro =)

Allah through the teachings of Quran and His last prophet - clearly indicates that is not permitted. Drinking alcoholic drinks, smoking cigarettes, taking drugs are clearly not permitted according to the teachings of Islam. There are lots of video lectures on the internet about this matter. Good luck.
 

Scimitar

Eschatologist
Is drinking alcohol permitted in Islam?

NO

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Allah has cursed Khamr (intoxicants – alcohol, wine etc.), the one who drinks it, the one who pours it for others, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who makes it, the one who it is made for, the one who carries it, the one who it is carried to and the one who consumes the money from its sale.”

[Sunan Abu Dawud – Classed as Sahih by Shaykh al-Albaani]

Commentary:

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansaab, and Al-Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful” [Al-Maa’idah 5:90]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Every intoxicant is Khamr, and every intoxicant is Haram (prohibited).” [Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Alcohol leads to many harmful things, and deserves to be called “the mother of all evils” – as it was described by the Prophet (peace be upon him), who said: “Alcohol is the mother of all evils.” [Classed as Hasan by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 1854]

The curses surrounding Khamr (intoxicants – alcohol, wine etc.) mentioned in the above Hadith which we are discussing are 10 and the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) listed them in the following order:

  1. He mentioned alcohol itself as a cursed creation of man as He (peace be upon him) said, “Allah has cursed alcohol”.
  2. Allah cursed the drinker of Alcohol. This also includes drugs in all its forms and varieties because the purpose is one: intoxication and causing failure to the functions of the brain. Whoever takes drugs, sells its pills and grass and other varieties is also cursed. Likewise the one who orders it, the one it is taken to, the trafficker, the distributor and the one who plans its distribution and the one who covers up for it and the rest of the drug ring are all cursed. This does not apply to prescribed medicines.
  3. Allah cursed the one who pours alcohol for others to drink whether it is guests or customers. This includes employees in reception centers, cafés, restaurants, bars, pubs and clubs.
  4. Allah cursed the seller. This is the person who owns the alcohol in this store, restaurant or club and sells it to others through the process of his business.
  5. The one who purchases alcohol is cursed. This is the person who buys alcohol for one reason or another, not necessarily for consumption: he may be restocking the shelves, buying it as a present or ‘doing his job’; all these people are cursed nonetheless.
  6. Allah has cursed the manufacturer. This includes every employee in the brewery or winery that produces alcohol in all its varieties whether from grapes, dates, whey or barley, whether it was light, lager, spirits or concentrated all of them are cursed.
  7. The ones who gets the alcohol made for him is also cursed, it may be a pre-order for an event, store, warehouse or household. Everyone involved in this arrangement is also cursed.
  8. Allah has also cursed the one who carries and transports alcohol. This includes international, national and local transportation from one country to another, one state to the other or from the brewery to the distributor. Included in this list are freight trucks, couriers and taxis that transport people or their alcohol or both.
  9. The one it is transported to. This is the person who is waiting for its arrival, he is also cursed.
  10. The one who consumes the money from its sale. This is the owner of the brewery or the bottle shop who sells it and profits from its sale. This can not only include individuals but entire companies and corporations. All their assets, employees and activities are cursed by Allah.
Dealing with Alcohol in all of its forms is one of the worst sins that a Muslim can commit, especially after they have heard of its prohibition and the curse it calls upon the drinker. If you consume alcohol and still pray, know that your prayer is not accepted for 40 days as the Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) informed us in a authentic Hadith related in the Sunan of Ibn Maajah, on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Umar (radi Allahu anhu):

“Whoever drinks alcohol and gets drunk Allah will not accept his prayer for 40 mornings. If he dies he will enter the hellfire and if he repents Allah will accept his repentance. If he returns to the sin, drinks and becomes drunk again, Allah will not accept his prayer for 40 days. If he dies he will enter the hellfire but if he repents Allah will accept his repentance. If he returns to the sin, drinks and becomes drunk again, Allah will not accept his prayer for 40 days. If he dies he will enter the hellfire but if he repents Allah will accept his repentance. If he returns to the sin again, (the 4th time) it is a promise of Allah that he will feed him from ‘Rad-ghat-til Khabaal’ on the Day of Judgment. They asked the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam), what is ‘Radghattil Khabaal’? He (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “(it is) the extracted juice of the people of the hellfire.”

“Allah will not accept his prayer for 40 days” means that he will not be rewarded for them (his prayer), but he is still obliged to pray; in fact he is obliged to do all the prayers. If he forsakes prayer during this time, he will be committing one of the worst of major sins, one which some of the scholars said amounts to kufr, meaning disbelief.

According to another hadith found in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “Whoever does not repent from drinking (Khamr – intoxicants) in this world will be deprived from it in the hereafter.” the drink of the hereafter does not make one get drunk and is unlike anything in this world.

So - bottom line - NO MUSLIMS CANNOT DRINK ALCOHOL. PERIOD.

Scimi
 

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Well-Known Member
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Smart_Guy

...
Premium Member
Hey guys, how's it going?

How about you allow someone, that knows Arabic well, to give you good interpretation directly from the source? Someone that happened to be a well educated native Makkan Muslim too. Yours truly :D

Okay, consuming alcohol is actually forbidden in the Quran, but that came in three main stages. Why not just forbid it? Well, it is because alcohol was a delicacy and widely consumed by people. Forbidding it all of the sudden could be either difficult and/or not fare. I believe God knew this and didn't want to do it like so. He knows us better that we know ourselves, I believe, for He is our creator.

Lets start with those three stages. I'll only give rough translation in layman language referring to the chapter and the verse.

Stage one; an introduction to forbidding alcohol:
Quran verse 219 of chapter 2 (Al Baqara) or the "Cow" in English.
This verse simply says that alcohol is a great sin and it also has benefits. The benefit here is financial.

Stage two; partially forbidding alcohol:
Quran verse 43 of chapter 4 (AL Nisaa) or the "Women" in English.
This verse touches the emotions of Muslims from the devotion point of view. Muslims are know for their devotion specially in performing prayers, so this was the entry. The verse still does not completely forbid alcohol, it only forbids performing prayer while drunk. It tells to not perform prayer until the mind gets clear and we can comprehend what we are doing and saying.

Stage three; completely forbidding alcohol:
Quran verses 90-91 of chapter 5 (Al Ma'ida) or the "Table" in English.
These two verses say that alcohol (and some other things not related to alcohol) is a defilement whispered to us from the devil, so avoid it completely. The other verse compliments that and says that the devil wants to spread animosity and hatred between us. Well, drunk people to give us trouble, don't they? (that last sentence was my own).

That's about it. Please also keep in mind that forbidding alcohol here is for consumption for pleasure and diet, not forbidding its use for good. Using alcohol for medical reasons or for other necessities, like cleaning, is allowed.

Best regards,

Smart Guy
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Muslims are strictly forbidden to drink alcohol. It is one way to protect the 6 year old child brides from being brutalized by drunk husbands many times their age.
 
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