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That's pretty much how I sees 'em.Having this debate in another thread. I think it does. Curious what others think.
Also does omniscience not imply infinite knowledge and omnipresence imply infinite presence?
Having this debate in another thread. I think it does. Curious what others think.
Also does omniscience not imply infinite knowledge and omnipresence imply infinite presence?
Having this debate in another thread. I think it does. Curious what others think.
Also does omniscience not imply infinite knowledge and omnipresence imply infinite presence?
That's what the dictionary says.
There is a distinction between:Some modern Christian theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. John Calvin, among other theologians of the 16th century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, in order for worthy beings' abilities to choose freely, embraced the doctrine of predestination. [source]
- inherent omniscience - the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known.
- total omniscience - actually knowing everything that can be known.
The map is not the territory and words blur under the microscope.
So, note:
The issue posed by the OP is not what you can wrap your head around but, rather, what the term 'omniscience' might legitimately connote.I can wrap my head around the concept of inherent omniscience. But I think total omniscience is logically impossible.
Having this debate in another thread. I think it does. Curious what others think.
Also does omniscience not imply infinite knowledge and omnipresence imply infinite presence?
omnipotence is power
omniscience is knowledge
omnipresence is - not a biblical teaching. its innacurate
How could God be present everywhere at the same time? The bible says he has a place where he resides, and so he could not be at any other place at the same time. Thus we read at 1 Kings 8:43 that the heavens are Gods established place of dwelling. Also, we are told at Hebrews 9:24 that Christ entered . . . into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
"having complete or unlimited power"
According to Merriam Webster the definition given does not imply infinite. It is without limit but the usage of infinite also implies time. The role of time and power do not correlate.
If you are all powerful(such as a god) then the role of time is meaningless considering that a demiurge brought time into existence.
Just add the 2 words together.... omni/all + potent/power = all powerful. Colloquialisms will be of no aid.
Where was God before it created heaven? "In the beginning God created heaven."
The issue posed by the OP is not what you can wrap your head around but, rather, what the term 'omniscience' might legitimately connote.
I would say he was in a different dimension... the spiritual dimension
Our universe is a physical dimension.
The bibles use of the word heaven in genesis is the sky where birds are said to fly. But the heavens where God resides are not in our sky...its somewhere metaphysical for the bible says that a person with flesh and blood cannot enter the heavens.
Once again if one asserts that power itself has finite limits then it does follow that an omnipotent being would simply possess any power which exists and not infinite power. I just don't know why would make that initial assertion.
Omnipotence is relative kiddo
un·lim·it·ed (God is all powerful not infinitely powerful which is why I have no found infinite listed in omnipotent so far as of yet. The word unlimited is almost always used.