Does Belief have any Practical Application?

[Fool]

If not, then why have any belief?

 

[janesix]

If not, then why have any belief?

Everyone has beliefs about the world. If you don't have a base to set your world view on, you go nutty....

 

[rrobs]

Does Belief have any Practical Application?

If not, then why have any belief?

Mark 11:23,

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
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I can think of plenty of times in life that would come in handy.

 

[Revoltingest]

The medical placebo effect is real.

 

[RedDragon94]

If not, then why have any belief?

True. Believing lies keeps one from truth.

 

[rrobs]

The medical placebo effect is real.

The placebo effect is indeed real. However, it is not the only factor in life.

Everything little thing you do in life is based on believing. Every time you sit in a chair you do so because you believe it will hold you up. If you look at a chair with one broken leg you would think otherwise because you wouldn't believe it would hold you up. You readily drink tap water because you believe it is drinkable. If you believed it to contain harmful bacteria, you would then act on that belief and not drink it.

 

[Revoltingest]

The placebo effect is indeed real. However, it is not the only factor in life.

Everything little thing you do in life is based on believing. Every time you sit in a chair you do so because you believe it will hold you up. If you look at a chair with one broken leg you would think otherwise because you wouldn't believe it would hold you up. You readily drink tap water because you believe it is drinkable. If you believed it to contain harmful bacteria, you would then act on that belief and not drink it.

I referred to only medical applications.
This article reflects what I'm thinking of....
The power of the placebo effect - Harvard Health

 

[Fool]

Mark 11:23,

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
​

I can think of plenty of times in life that would come in handy.

yes but jesus only moved mountains of flesh.

 

[rrobs]

True. Believing lies keeps one from truth.

Right. We either believe in the truth or lies. Genesis has a classic example.

What God said:

Gen 2:17,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

What the devil said:

Gen 3:4,

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
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[Fool]

The medical placebo effect is real.

that is temporary, most often.

 

[RedDragon94]

Right. We either believe in the truth or lies. Genesis has a classic example.

What God said:

Gen 2:17,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

What the devil said:

Gen 3:4,

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
​

Right, people hold things to be axiomatic to their experience when their really just a way of being controlled.

And I understand, sometimes when you hear two conflicting messages it's hard to choose which to believe.

 

[Revoltingest]

that is temporary, most often.

But if it works when it works, then it works.
Thus, it's a useful aspect of belief.

 

[RedDragon94]

The medical placebo effect is real.

Well, it works. If something works why look for something else?

 

[Fool]

But if it works when it works, then it works.
Thus, it's a useful aspect of belief.

OK, i agree. meditation is also been known to work for chronic pain.

Can Mindfulness Meditation Really Reduce Pain and Suffering?

Chronic Pain and Meditation - Mindful


Mindfulness Meditation Reduces Pain, Bypasses Opioid Receptors

 

[rrobs]

And I understand, sometimes when you hear two conflicting messages it's hard to choose which to believe.

I'll take scriptural doctrine over church doctrine any day. If the church doctrine lines up with scripture, I'll accept it, but unfortunately there are many places where church doctrine does not line up with the Bible.

 

[RedDragon94]

I'll take scriptural doctrine over church doctrine any day. If the church doctrine lines up with scripture, I'll accept it, but unfortunately there are many places where church doctrine does not line up with the Bible.

Okay, like (specific doctrine)?

 

[rrobs]

Well, it works. If something works why look for something else?

The placebo effect works to some degree in the here and now, but what about eternity? It pays to think ahead.

 

[RedDragon94]

The placebo effect works to some degree in the here and now, but what about eternity? It pays to think ahead.

When I'm dead I won't need medicine.

 

[rrobs]

Okay, like (specific doctrine)?

I think it is fair to say that many, if not most, churches believe that grandma, who died 20 years ago, is floating around somewhere up there looking down on us. They even pray to grandma to help them out down here.

What God said:

Gen 2:17,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

What the devil and many churches say:

Gen 3:4,

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
​

You'd think that after 6,000 years someone in the church hierarchy would have come across this, but apparently not. Or they just chose to ignore it.

The good news is that someday everybody will be resurrected, but for now, dead is dead. Go to a funeral home and look in a casket.

 

[RedDragon94]

I think it is fair to say that many, if not most, churches believe that grandma, who died 20 years ago, is floating around somewhere up there looking down on us. They even pray to grandma to help them out down here.

What God said:

Gen 2:17,
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
What the devil and many churches say:

Gen 3:4,
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
You'd think that after 6,000 years someone in the church hierarchy would have come across this, but apparently not. Or they just chose to ignore it.

The good news is that someday everybody will be resurrected, but for now, dead is dead. Go to a funeral home and look in a casket.

So, does the Bible say anything about an afterlife?