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Interestingly enough, fascism I think, would result from lawlessness say, in the United States, because a lack of representative government or federal govt of any kind would lead to the total domination of corporations, which would essentially become the government.doppelgänger;844183 said:Lawlessness and Fascism are the manifestation of extremes resulting from imbalance.
Interestingly enough, fascism I think, would result from lawlessness say, in the United States, because a lack of representative government or federal govt of any kind would lead to the total domination of corporations, which would essentially become the government.
Even more so than they already have.
doppelgänger;844330 said:Very good point. And anarchy results from fascism. It's a vicious circle of violent repression being met by violent revolution, bringing violent repression. It goes back to what I've noticed for years now in politics, the extremes of left and right are ultimately, exactly the same.
I think the folks calling for anarchy will not be happy with the results.
What sorts of things are you talking, and why would they have to be accomplished by a government, rather than a body of indiviuals (like a business)?kadzbiz said:I guess we would have to look back in time before man evolved to become "civilised" and ask if times were chaotic then? The problem I see is that people (individually or in a group) generally want things their own way and to have it so requires some sort of regulation, thence a regulartory body.
But why? People already murder, rape, and rob, and they do it for their own reasons. I highly doubt there are people sitting around saying, "Gee, I wish there weren't a law against murdering, or I would rape my neighbour." Add to that that governments have done more murdering and robbing qua governments than individuals have. For example, if there were no government, there would be no way to finance wars, which are the main ways of murdering and robbing. Governments can kill their own citizens and rob them of their money through taxes, so LAWFULNESS apparantly allows those types of situations to dominate anyway. I think there would be less crime, even if there were slightly more individual crime (which I still don't see as happening).PureX said:Lawlessness allows for murdering, raping, and robbing gangs of bullyboys to dominate.
Heck, I don't know the local laws. Like just today I found out that I'm actually required to take a lunch break. I had no idea that was a law. Yet, I'm living under a government.Terrywoodenpick said:The main problem with anarchic societies is that groups are by definition autonomous.
The result is that if you move between groups ... you don't know the local rules.
How can corporations dominate without being able to finance governments (and therefore earn governmental validation)?Famindynasty said:Interestingly enough, fascism I think, would result from lawlessness say, in the United States, because a lack of representative government or federal govt of any kind would lead to the total domination of corporations, which would essentially become the government.
I would.I think the folks calling for anarchy will not be happy with the results.
And you would be quite wrong in that assumption. There are a surprising number of murderers, rapists, and thieves living among us who will quite happily and quickly express those desires were they to imagine that they can get away with it. The people in our society that 'do it anyway' are just the most extreme and careless among them. And the reason we know this is true is because throughout all of human history, whenever the mechanisms of social order have collapsed, a whole lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens became rapists, murderers and thieves, almost immediately. This is not make-believe, or exaggeration. The whole reason that human societies have developed the rule of law is exacly because of this phenomenon.People already murder, rape, and rob, and they do it for their own reasons. I highly doubt there are people sitting around saying, "Gee, I wish there weren't a law against murdering, or I would rape my neighbour."
You really need to read some history. Governments don't kill anyone. Governments are simply a method of organizing ourselves so that we can express our desires en masse. When organized groups of people kill it's because the majority of those people want to. And make no mistake, bloodlust is alive and well in the human species. Especially among young adult males. We are social animals, and when that bloodlust is stirred up, whole societies of humans become murderous. Then, not even the rule of law can stop it.Add to that that governments have done more murdering and robbing qua governments than individuals have. For example, if there were no government, there would be no way to finance wars, which are the main ways of murdering and robbing.
You will either be preyed upon by people that Purex described above or controlled by people who would respect your family but impose more right wing ideals on the community. God, Guns and Guts would be the order of the day.
Oh, is that so. I hope you back that up shortly.And you would be quite wrong in that assumption.
Yeah, DESPITE the laws. I never said crime would go away, after all, I just said that laws don't stop anybody.There are a surprising number of murderers, rapists, and thieves living among us who will quite happily and quickly express those desires were they to imagine that they can get away with it.
Is that so? When did that happen? You're going to need to back up statements that reference "all of human history".The people in our society that 'do it anyway' are just the most extreme and careless among them. And the reason we know this is true is because throughout all of human history, whenever the mechanisms of social order have collapsed, a whole lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens became rapists, murderers and thieves, almost immediately.
No, they have developed to subjugate.This is not make-believe, or exaggeration. The whole reason that human societies have developed the rule of law is exacly because of this phenomenon.
Well, if that's true, then governments are more dangerous, because they actually CAN carry out our desires en masse. If people will naturally fall into a state of crime (as you state) without a government, then they must naturally be crime-ful creatures. BUt, they are individuals who can't really do that much. But when they band together into a government, THEN the en masse (crime-ful) desires can be realised.You really need to read some history. Governments don't kill anyone. Governments are simply a method of organizing ourselves so that we can express our desires en masse.
Well, then, let's get ride of those organised groups, like governments, that actually allow people to carry out their wishes. An Hitler would have had a hard time committing genocide, but Germany did it without much resitance.When organized groups of people kill it's because the majority of those people want to.
Yeah, that's true. And that desire is usually not related to actual law.But before we reach that point, we have always living among us a significant percentage of human beings who are prone to murder, rape, and robbery, given the opportunity.
Yeah, and that still occures in this governed society.We have learned as a species, through bitter experience, how quickly our own friends and neighbors can become murderous criminals.
That leans more towards fascism.You will either be preyed upon by people that Purex described above or controlled by people who would respect your family but impose more right wing ideals on the community. God, Guns and Guts would be the order of the day.
I know a few people who are arms dealers in the black market. Think thats enough? Plenty of ex-military people as well. But ammunition would only be necessary for awhile. Do you think riots and thefts will be common if the rioters and thieves no that even someone watching there crimes can shoot back?OK, to answer several questions above, I believe some groups are more ready for a riot, anarchy or whatever than others. How many rounds of ammunition do you have on hand right now? How many like minded individuals could you arm with a gun if you had to? How much training have they had?
This statement is true.NO. Anarchy is the end of the chaos of un-natural order.