@djhwoodwerks why won't you explain how you know the Bible has been kept pure ie all right, nothing wrong in it?
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Do you want to debate the Bible, djhwoodwerks?
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djhwoodwerks
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Actually, if you think about it, Paul wrote that to Timothy. What was the Scripture to Paul? The only Scripture they had, our Old Testament. Paul wasn't referring to the New Testament, it hadn't been written yet.
djhwoodwerks
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Because the God I know, isn't a God of confusion. I don't, and can't believe He would have given His written word and then allow it to be screwed with and say, "oh well, that's not what I meant, but I'll just let them argue about it and try and figure out what I really meant. If they can't figure it out, oh well."
I agree with you!
So? What about the new testament? Can the modern Bible be trusted to be all true, new and old together?
djhwoodwerks
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The why do you even read the Bible at all? If you believe the Bible has even one mistake, it makes the whole book invalid.
What would it take for God to make the people who chose the books and explained the books to be right about everything?
I think you might think about the difficulty in writing THROUGH people. God would have had to enter all those people who had anything to do with our modern Bible.
djhwoodwerks
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Did God "enter" you when He told you the Bible was wrong for saying, "make" disciples of all nations?
NO, I don't believe you believe that. You seem to me to be a person of intelligence. How can you say a lesson must be without error to be useful?
I can learn from all the parts of it that are right. Why not?
Also, mistakes are for learning too. I am evolving. When I started writing on the internet I made many mistakes. But I learned from them.
I am learning from the mistakes in the Bible. I think that if you do not recognize the mistakes, you can not learn from them.
God didn't tell me that. The Bible is missing the verb make. It makes much, much, much, much, much, much ,much, much, much more sense that he said to BE disciples. You have shut off your thinking ability or you are posing.
A teacher dies so the disciples of that teacher are not disciples of that teacher any longer. True or false?
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'
Do not forsake gathering together......as what? Disciples
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'
Do not forsake gathering together......as what? Disciples
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Why did Jesus say, "be my disciples" to his disciples? First of all, he was no longer in the flesh because he was killed. Their teacher seemed to be gone.
But he is telling them that he will keep teaching them. Of course, he could not say, "I will keep teaching you" because it is only true for the few who choose to be taught by him and are able. "He who has an ear......listen".
What does he end up saying to them? "I will be with you".
What is a disciple?
Please listen to minutes 9:28-10:20 especially
But he is telling them that he will keep teaching them. Of course, he could not say, "I will keep teaching you" because it is only true for the few who choose to be taught by him and are able. "He who has an ear......listen".
What does he end up saying to them? "I will be with you".
What is a disciple?
Please listen to minutes 9:28-10:20 especially
djhwoodwerks
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I think you are reading way too much into the word "make" when you read it, as if you are thinking it means to 'forcibly make' people disciples.
djhwoodwerks
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Proverbs 3:5 (JPS 1917) 5 Trust in the LORD with all thy heart, and lean not upon thine own understanding.
Haha. I am not reading into make. Make isn't there to read.
djhwoodwerks
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g3100. μαθητεύω mathēteuō; from 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar: — be disciple, instruct, teach.
I think you mean this. Djhoodwerks says, "trust in what was written long, long ago and translated with all your heart and on your own understanding do not lean"
Heads up! "Own" was added.
What it used to say is, "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and on understanding do not lean".
Tell me. Are you going to say the Bible has understanding of its own so you lean on its understanding?
Yes we have been over this many times. The teacher was dead. Maybe they thought they were not his disciples any more because he was dead. So he was reminding them that they WERE still his disciples.
Having gone, therefore, disciple to the nations. Jesus would be everywhere now. Right? He said, "I will be with you". Was he lying?
Answer me this. Does the Bible say that when Jesus died his apostles were done learning? Had they learned everything they needed to know to be complete at the time Jesus said, "disciple" (the verb)?
