Do you think the weather/climate change has only to do with humans or is it also occuring naturally?

[Thief]

Being we humans are part of nature, could it be classified as happening natural? If it was a meteor it would be classified as natural.

man made changes happen
and we don't call such things natural

 

[Thief]

One child families?

China

they've been doing it for years
check it out

 

[Thief]

Fossil records reveal that atmospheric CO2 levels around 600 million years ago were about 7,000 parts per million, compared with 379 ppm in 2005. Then approximately 480 million years ago those levels gradually dropped to 4,000 ppm over about 100 million years, while average temperatures remained at a steady 72 degrees. They then jumped rapidly to 4,500 ppm and guess what! Temperatures dove to an estimated average similar to today, even though the CO2 level was around twelve times higher than now. Yes, as CO2 went up, temperatures plummeted.
About 438 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 dropped from 4,500 ppm to 3,000 ppm, yet according to fossil records, world temperatures shot rapidly back up to an average 72 degrees. So regardless of whether CO2 levels were 7,000 ppm or 3,000 ppm, temperatures rose and fell independently.
https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/05/03/breaking-news-the-climate-actually-changes/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15823553932390&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/05/03/breaking-news-the-climate-actually-changes/

a sustained chill can be caused by many things

the meteor trick?
some believe that meteor that killed the dinosaurs did so by throwing tons of dust in to the air
fine dust
shut out the sunlight
green plants died
large veggie eaters starved
it's a theory

 

[Notanumber]

Who would want to bring a child into a Chinese regime anyway?

 

[Thief]

Al Gore has made a very good living out of that and Greta’s parents have realised that they can do the same.

cash for podium appearance doesn't void the speech

 

[columbus]

a sustained chill can be caused by many things

the meteor trick?
some believe that meteor that killed the dinosaurs did so by throwing tons of dust in to the air
fine dust
shut out the sunlight
green plants died
large veggie eaters starved
it's a theory

I heard a better explanation for why that impact destroyed so many species.

"When the asteroid hit the earth, it threw back a gigantic plume of the earth's crust. All the way into space.
As that plume started falling back to earth, it heated up to incandescence. A rain of molten rock fell on most of the biosphere.

The tiny creatures that could escape by burrowing or something survived. The big ones did not.

And life on earth began again.
Tom

 

[Valjean]

China

they've been doing it for years
check it out

But they stopped the program when they realized money could be made with more workers.

 

[Thief]

I heard a better explanation for why that impact destroyed so many species.

"When the asteroid hit the earth, it threw back a gigantic plume of the earth's crust. All the way into space.
As that plume started falling back to earth, it heated up to incandescence. A rain of molten rock fell on most of the biosphere.

The tiny creatures that could escape by burrowing or something survived. The big ones did not.

And life on earth began again.
Tom

yeah.....
and also to that.....a thin line of soil different than the rest
is a marker of sorts

below the line of sediment.....large bone remains
above the line......nothing bigger than 50lb specimen

it took a while for the larger forms to regroup

 

[Thief]

But they stopped the program when they realized money could be made with more workers.

can you relate that to the climate?

more air lost ?
to workers
to more cars
to more fossil fuel applications....stoves …..furnaces
more shredding of forest land

 

[Valjean]

I'm not aware that climate was considered in ending the policy.

 

[columbus]

yeah.....
and also to that.....a thin line of soil different than the rest
is a marker of sorts

below the line of sediment.....large bone remains
above the line......nothing bigger than 50lb specimen

it took a while for the larger forms to regroup

Yep.
Religious folks don't operate that way.

It's why I don't believe in religion.
I believe in God, but not religion.
Tom

 

[Notanumber]

But they stopped the program when they realized money could be made with more workers.

Slaves more like.

 

[We Never Know]

Absolutely not. It’s classification is neither, and both. When we refer to nature, we refer to something greater than us. We distinguish between what we do and what occurs naturally. To lay it all on nature is to absolve us of responsibility.

So a beaver creating a dam is considered a natural dam because it's greater than us?

 

[We Never Know]

Not in the sense most people mean when they say natural change.

You're seriously implying they're crying havoc for the money -- along with millions of unaffiliated scientists around the world?

If locus destroy crop it's natural.
If a volcano destroys a mountain area it's natural.
If a meteor hits and destroys an area it's natural.
If heavy rains cause floods and destroy hundreds of houses it natural.
If a tornado destroys hundreds of houses, a whole town it's natural.

But if we destroy something it isn't natural. How does that work? Is it because we could have prevented it but didn't?

 

[We Never Know]

man made changes happen
and we don't call such things natural

In reality we may think we are better and/or above other species on this rock but that's exactly what we are, just another species on this rock.

 

[We Never Know]

a sustained chill can be caused by many things

the meteor trick?
some believe that meteor that killed the dinosaurs did so by throwing tons of dust in to the air
fine dust
shut out the sunlight
green plants died
large veggie eaters starved
it's a theory

Boy you really addressed my post lol

 

[Valjean]

If locus destroy crop it's natural.
If a volcano destroys a mountain area it's natural.
If a meteor hits and destroys an area it's natural.
If heavy rains cause floods and destroy hundreds of houses it natural.
If a tornado destroys hundreds of houses, a whole town it's natural.

But if we destroy something it isn't natural. How does that work? Is it because we could have prevented it but didn't?

You've extended the definition to the point where it covers everything. Arything not supernatural is natural.
The word is usually used in the sense of natural vs artificial.

In reality we may think we are better and/or above other species on this rock but that's exactly what we are, just another species on this rock.

And a dangerous one; one who's artifices are ravaging the planet.

 

[We Never Know]

You've extended the definition to the point where it covers everything. Arything not supernatural is natural.
The word is usually used in the sense of natural vs artificial.
And a dangerous one; one who's artifices are ravaging the planet.

Humans are neither supernatural or artificial. We are part of nature. IMO that makes us a natural disaster that was waiting to happen.

 

[Thief]

In reality we may think we are better and/or above other species on this rock but that's exactly what we are, just another species on this rock.

have you seen my thread...?

Are You Greater than an Ape?

 

[Thief]

If locus destroy crop it's natural.
If a volcano destroys a mountain area it's natural.
If a meteor hits and destroys an area it's natural.
If heavy rains cause floods and destroy hundreds of houses it natural.
If a tornado destroys hundreds of houses, a whole town it's natural.

But if we destroy something it isn't natural. How does that work? Is it because we could have prevented it but didn't?

you are comparing forces of nature to
the application of manmade invention

nature doesn't decide to destroy things

but we do
and often do so not realizing the full extent of that gesture