No. But that is irrelevant. Effectivity is independent from tradition. Astrology has also a big tradition.
By the way, do you think Apollo answered prayers, too?
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Do you believe Moses parted the Red Sea?
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No. But that is irrelevant. Effectivity is independent from tradition. Astrology has also a big tradition.
By the way, do you think Apollo answered prayers, too?
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- viole
rosends
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well, more likely the current lack of knowledge about the proper vowels and the nonexistence in the text of a J.
Akivah
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I keep telling them that there is no J sound in the Hebrew language, but they keep insisting.
Manss
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Without any doubt, that historical and miraculous event happened, as some other miracles happened in other periods of time. Believing in that paranormal event dependent on believing in the superior of the world that is creator of the world as well. That superior has described everything based on science and technology but he also is able to carry out somethings that science is unable to explain about them logically.
For example, one of the quality of fire is that to burn everything that has carbon or the other flammable elements, but God ordered it:" Be cold and harmless to Abraham!" and it didn't hurt him.
Science can't explain about a miracle, because miracle is a supernatural thing that is not as a routine in the universe. For instance, in normal mode, God never order the earth to move contrary to its known direction. The earth move constantly and scientifically in the direction that scientists have discovered in recent centuries. So it never go out from its specified orbit or never move in contrary to its direction. But may at a specific time ( based on a particular purpose), God changes the direction of the earth! It sounds as an impassible event scientifically, but is not impossible supernaturally.
For example, one of the quality of fire is that to burn everything that has carbon or the other flammable elements, but God ordered it:" Be cold and harmless to Abraham!" and it didn't hurt him.
Science can't explain about a miracle, because miracle is a supernatural thing that is not as a routine in the universe. For instance, in normal mode, God never order the earth to move contrary to its known direction. The earth move constantly and scientifically in the direction that scientists have discovered in recent centuries. So it never go out from its specified orbit or never move in contrary to its direction. But may at a specific time ( based on a particular purpose), God changes the direction of the earth! It sounds as an impassible event scientifically, but is not impossible supernaturally.
Thanks to the ethylene vent under the Temple of Delphi, prayers to Apollo actually had real, verifiable, physical (albeit misattributed) effects.
Unveiled Artist
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Id say, therefore, it was both Moses and God that parted it. I wouldnt separate Moses because he is human given that he is chosen to do the work itself even though he wasnt the source of it.
Ah, yes! That's a good point!
It's just about the only Exodus tale that doesn't pretend visually that the Middle East is filled with white people.
One of the reasons I like it. It visually acknowledges the fact that Hebrews are not white, and that Egyptians are, you know, African. LOL
Have it almost completely memorized. It's great overblown camp.
DeMille tries so hard to be "epic" and "glorious" that it ends up hilariously overacted. I can't remember many scenes where someone just talks normally.
I think I've heard that as much.
Hm... never thought about it that way. Perhaps, though I'd use figuratively, not literally.
Hardly.
You suggested that a theist would get just as many "hits", under the assumption that what one believes about prayer, as well as what is being prayed for, is entirely irrelevant to the effect it has on the one praying.
You, an atheist, would get as many hits from a glass of water as any God. As an agnostic polytheist, though I rarely pray, I can attest that praying to, or at least invoking, something that I actually believe has power, particularly one that's constantly reinforced through culture, has an influence on my behavior and confidence, making me, in effect, the instrument of my own prayers' fulfillment, together with the rest of my culture. I'm not, and have never been, a monotheist, but I suspect the same psychology is going on.
It's probably one of the reasons why in some fantasy settings, Gods' powers is directly related to the number of worshipers they have. The authors of such works realized this phenomenon, either consciously or subconsciously.
Obviously the effectiveness does depend on what one is praying for. No amount of prayer, to any God, water glass, or even Sun herself, is gonna make her reverse course, for instance.
Why are you asking about it in the past tense? He's still worshiped.
Obviously. And that is why, probably, I have such an impressive hit ratio when I pray to my glass of water. i pray to make the sun come up in the morning, and it seems to always work.
i ask becaue Apollo was believed in the past too. And even if he answers prayers today, that does not entail that my question about him having answered them in the past is somewhat weird.
So, does He? And/or did He?
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- viole
Shad
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Yes I know, they are the people that think the Exodus narrative is a historical fact.
Yes. Maybe spend some time researching the topic you are talking about before talking about it.
Still, that's also an example of something that's gonna happen, anyway, making such a prayer meaningless. Worship of Sun, at least for me, would involve more greetings and honorings, not prayer. (I say "would", because... me and Sun don't exactly get along, so my "worship" of her largely just consistes of listening to Rammstein's "Sonne" in the morning.)
You'll have to ask his worshipers. I don't know the details of how Apollo is worshiped, or what sorts of prayers are made to him.
Do you worship a giant ball of hydrogen?
Mmmh. I am not sure I know anybody who worships Apollo.
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- viole
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That's what Sun is when wholly independent of human experience.
Do you experience Sun solely as a giant (nearly perfect) sphere of plasma that's fusing hydrogen into helium?
Pretty sure there's a few Hellenics on this board.
'Course not. I experience Sun as the Bringer of Day, warmth, and burns.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Absolutely not.
Shad
Veteran Member
Which is merely a simplification of what actually happens with said giant ball of hydrogen.
Things are rarely "merely" anything.
Hardly. It's a description of my experience with Sun. It would be the case regardless of the actual mechanics behind these properties.
I am not an astronomer, and so have no obligation to remove my biases in regads to my relationship with Sun.
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Do we know anything about the burial practices that Egypt allowed the Hebrews? Who can say with any certainty?
Handyman355a
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No If you follow the thread. God says to Moses He will raise up a Prophet like Moses and put His words in His mouth. Jesus claims to be that prophet stating He speaks in Parables. If this be the case then it is the same God of Moses claiming to speak in parables. Thus making the words of Moses a parable as well.