Love how the beauty of a golden spiral Fibonacci sequence is interwoven into everywhere.
We find each other attractive due to mathematical symmetry; where the curve of a woman is a mathematical precision.
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Do we live in a fine tuned universe
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We find each other attractive due to mathematical symmetry; where the curve of a woman is a mathematical precision.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Then what you are saying is humans should align with Satan, if our existences are linked.
Repox
Truth Seeker
No, it is just that - collateral damage. Humans evolved from the fall of paradise, which was 65 million years ago during the dinosaur era. I don't think
God created everything for us. We occupy the same universe with Satan, but that doesn't mean we have to be buddies.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
The more we learn about the universe, the more special we realize humanity and Earth are, I agree. The more we appreciate the excruciatingly fine engineering that allows our existence. I don't see how this is inconsistent with God though
That was certainly the Victorian age model, that a few 'immutable' classical laws. plus lots of time and space for them to bump around in, would be simply bound to produce some jolly interesting results eventually!
We know now that this is not true, everything from the first seconds, the expansion of the fabric of space time, to the formation of great fusion reactors in stars, producing just the right elements necessary for life, then dispersing them, were predetermined according to very specific instructions. Whether or not you believe those instructions were somehow created accidentally, they are necessary for us to be having this discussion.
Alter the universal constants infinitesimally, and no, you don't just get a slightly different universe where something interesting is also bound to happen eventually, you get an infinite number of eternally dark, cold, dimensionless, lifeless blobs.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
I don't know, it really sounds like you are just making stuff up. Have any proof?
Repox
Truth Seeker
What proof do we have for God or anything supernatural?
But we're not special. We're made out of the most commonly available elements in the universe. Stuff that exists everywhere. I do not doubt for a moment that, orbiting some other star, a conversation similar to the one we're having is taking place right now. Someone arguing that we're special because we exist, the other arguing that due to sheer size of the universe this is bound to happen. The parameters that brought life about on Earth will happen elsewhere. There is nothing special about ourselves, our planet, our atmosphere, so on.
You get an infinite number of everything. That's how infinity works. An infinite number of dark, lifeless universes and an infinite number of vibrant, life-bearing ones. Because infinity is, well, infinity.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
So then no; you don't have any proof. I thought so.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Why do you accept the findings of physics and chemistry when it suits you (necessary for any argument for fine tuning), then reject it whenever it disagrees with your preconceptions (necessary for young earth creationism)?
Again, mind-blowing contradictions.
Repox
Truth Seeker
I never said I had proof. The point is no one here posting about God or the supernatural has proof. So why are you here?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
"So why are you here?"
There is already a thread about that topic here:
Who are We, Where did We come from and Why are We Here?
Repox
Truth Seeker
Wonderful, thanks for the enlightenment.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
No problem. But perhaps you should show a bit more respect to religion and stop using it as an excuse to make up whatever nonsense you like.
Repox
Truth Seeker
I don't make up nonsense. I am not required to show respect for ideas I reject. I know about God and heaven, I don't need lectures from those who disagree.
Your post is inconsistent with even a rudimentary knowledge of statistics.
The chances of all the laws, constants and particulars of the universe being just as they are is infinitesimal. But the chances of any other configuration is equally infinitesimal.
The chances of a random throw of twelve dice coming up all ones or all sixes is exactly the same as a roll coming out in any configuration. All configurations have an equal chance of appearing.
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Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Let's see: make up stuff, ignore any need for evidence, and don't listen to people who disagree. . . Sounds super smart.
Repox
Truth Seeker
I don't need your criticism. If I want to know about the supernatural, I'll ask God. I don't think you qualify.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Right talk to the voices.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
No, the universe was not fine tuned to accommodate human beings. Human beings evolved to flourish in the universe we exist in. That's like the water in a puddle after a storm saying "Gosh, this impression in the ground fits me PERFECTLY. Clearly it was designed by some higher intelligence specifically for that purpose!"