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Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

Cooky

Veteran Member
Almost as if it came straight out of Trump's own lying mouth. . . .

Who would want to take part in the party of hatred anyways? Look at what the left has become... Haters.

...It's truly sad to watch a party with such a rich history regress to such lowly standards.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I don't understand this blind loyalty to Trump. This so-called "success" that is being attributed to Trump is not Trump's doing, it is the rest of the party. Most the time all Trump is doing is signing his name where they tell him to and I doubt that he even understands what he is signing most to of the time. You remove Trump and put in Pence in his place and the "success" continues, but without the reckless ill-informed stupidity of Donald J. Trump.

Trump damaged the 2016 election, he didn't make it happen and he didn't win it for the Republicans. The Republicans were already primed to win, and considering their opponent was Hillary they should have done much better than they actually did.
 
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youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Who would want to take part in the party of hatred anyways? Look at what the left has become... Haters.

...It's truly sad to watch a party with such a rich history regress to such lowly standards.

And yet the racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, etc. . seem to all gravitate to the Right. Let's face it, the KKK and the neo-Nazis are not out voting for Liberals for a reason.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
And yet the racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, etc. . seem to all gravitate to the Right. Let's face it, the KKK and the neo-Nazis are not out voting for Liberals for a reason.

If the only way you base your voting on is by doing the opposite of those whom you oppose, then that means you're a completely reactive voter.

It's superficial, shallow and irresponsible, as you immediately place your feelings before facts.

...Try getting more involved and delving deeper into the policies. Set your feelings and values aside and look at the big picture. Imagine the future.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
If the only way you base your voting on is by doing the opposite of those whom you oppose, then that means you're a completely reactive voter.

It's superficial and irresponsible, as you immediately place your feelings before facts.

...Try getting more involved and delving deeper into the policies. Set your feelings and values aside and look at the big picture. Imagine the future.

I highly doubt, given the speed at which politics moves, that very many people are your so-called "reactive voter". That is nothing but a straw-man argument.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Simply because no single human's contribution to society, through their 'work' in commerce, is worth that much more than everyone else's.

I agree and I think the working/middle class contributes far more than the wealthy, and because of that the working/middle class should get the biggest share of the pie.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I agree and I think the working/middle class contributes far more than the wealthy, and because of that the working/middle class should get a bigger share of the pie.

Then you should vote Republican since the Democrats are not for the working middle class. They are for the homeless and the extreme poor only.

At least Trump tried to bring steel production back, where as the left wants everything made in China, where there are almost zero environmental protections. It's crazy really.

...They make no sense.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Then you should vote Republican since the Democrats are not for the working middle class. They are for the homeless and the extreme poor only.

At least Trump tried to bring steel production back, where as the left wants everything made in China.

I don't think you know what the working class is.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
tЯump isn't to blame, the people who voted for him are. They're responsible for being conned into supporting a con man.
This is all the tea party supporters fault. They'll get what's coming to them soon.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I am sorry if my strong language concerning Trump offends some, I am just tried of tipping toeing around the snowflakes on the Right. It has been two years, it is time to accept the fact that your leader is scum. I can accept the voting for Trump because you didn't want to vote for Hilary, and I understand getting behind him because he pushes policy that you like; however, he is still a total dirt-bag and no where close to the best the Republicans have to offer and in the long run he is not healthy for the party or the nation.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If the only way you base your voting on is by doing the opposite of those whom you oppose, then that means you're a completely reactive voter.

It's superficial, shallow and irresponsible, as you immediately place your feelings before facts.

...Try getting more involved and delving deeper into the policies. Set your feelings and values aside and look at the big picture. Imagine the future.
So far the only things Trump has done has been try to undo anything Obama did. His entire policy has been to step backwards.
And to ignore the racism, mysogny and xenophobia in his speech and policies is a mistake. But it's a mistake the extremists on the right would love to happen.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Then you should vote Republican since the Democrats are not for the working middle class. They are for the homeless and the extreme poor only.
Wrong, republicans are for corporate policies and democrats are for middle class policies. I'll give you a few examples.

Republicans are against the following (middle class policies)
-Minimum wage increase
-Labor unions
-Lower taxes for middle class
-Regulations
-Worker protections/rights

Just because the republican establishment lies to you about the democratic platform, you don't get to make stuff up about the party.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
If all this stuff had come out about Trump and he was not President, both the Right and the Left would want him behind bars, there would be no debate about it, we'd all think he is dirt and should be in prison.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
If all this stuff had come out about Trump and he was not President, both the Right and the Left would want him behind bars, there would be no debate about it, we'd all think he is dirt and should be in prison.
TЯump had a long history of fraudulent abuse before the election. The tЯump supporters failed to do basic homework on a candidate.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
If all this stuff had come out about Trump and he was not President, both the Right and the Left would want him behind bars, there would be no debate about it, we'd all think he is dirt and should be in prison.

I know a guy who had sex with a porn star. I know another guy who was in a porn movie. I don't want them behind bars.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Wrong, republicans are for corporate policies and democrats are for middle class policies. I'll give you a few examples.

Republicans are against the following (middle class policies)
-Minimum wage increase
-Labor unions
-Lower taxes for middle class
-Regulations
-Worker protections/rights

Just because the republican establishment lies to you about the democratic platform, you don't get to make stuff up about the party.

No, Republicans don't want to make unions illegal. They don't want to ban all regulations or end worker rights.

The raising of the minimum wage..? That's just automatic inflation across the board and the left is also against lowering taxes for the middle class.
 
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