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Featured Do people really find God in life?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Frog, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Frog

    Frog Cult of Kek.

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    My own person can't comprehend the fact as this, that the divine bread giver would hide himself from us and leave us to his own creation.
    People say that life itself is God, how can that be if people can not find him in it? If man was made in Gods image how then when man makes his own creation that he is not found in those creations. I know what you would say but there is no way that an art of God proves God in art.

    I personally believe in my own God. Nobody knows this God but me.
     

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  2. Unveiled Artist

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    Art and artist are one in soul. When you are the artist you are the art and vis versa. Within art, is an expression of who you are. Who you are is spoken through your art.

    So if you were a creator, people know you through your creation. While creation doesn't say "I am a christian creator"; nature isn't denominational, you can still know It (not he or she) by how you interact with creation.

    Basically, it's like going to an art museum and seeing the painter in his painting...the colors etc..what makes the painter choose this color over that. It defines him.

    Which makes it hard with nature and living beings because without our culture, language, and history, there is no Christian god. Hindu god. And so forth. Life. Just. Exists. It doesn't need us to define it's existence.

    So, if you want to know god, don't look up.
     
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  3. Cacotopia

    Cacotopia Let's go full Trottle

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    I wouldn't say my art is an expression of my soul, that's the main reason I don't talk to other artists. They get into that mode of speaking spiritually about their art that makes me want to claw my ears off of my skull.

    You could say my art is my own language that I can only read, I in a way don't want you to understand what and how I feel when you see my work. But I would encourage others to find their own interpretation through it.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't like being told what to see, nor do I enjoy telling others what to see. That's not my definition of what art is supposed to do. It's a spark to the flame of your imagination.
     
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    Many people do. They are the ones who say this, for that is what they see.

    He is in the creations of artists, of course. It's the Breath the inspires the creation. And God is heard and felt and seen in it, and through it. Some see it. Others see nothing at all.

    God is felt, not examined with a scalpel and a measuring stick.

    I don't believe you.
     
  5. Frog

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    SO you do not belove in a soul, or the christ aspect of it, and that imagination is of secular nature?

    I believe in soul not/souls ab eternal soul, void and immaterial, everything that is not material. A Buddhist outlook kind of

    How do you see the soul? our molecules have to rest somewhere don't they? There is a large invisible world our there holding our reality together and that is the soul I believe, and that is where you will find God.

    Quite interesting topic to look into is the light beings the turn the wheel of life in another dimension parallel to ours. A man smokes a dissociative drugs called Salvia and talks consciously with a being in the room that expresses himself towards the man saying he will have to die to get out. Dissosiative drugs block receptors in the brain. Hmmm.,, receptors? walls?.
     
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    What...are you talking about, and what does that have to do with art? Or what art is supposed to do, Base concept is to elicite a response.
     
  7. Frog

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    How can one man see something and another nothing whilst on equal standing? Does one need knowledge before he can see or does he need wisdom? Is a baby born with a doctrine in its head? Do the Eskimos go to hell? Would it be correct to say that others see nothing at all? I m not sure, They see what they want to see, and if everything is God than they see God.
     
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    How can we understand the same God when we fail to understand one another?
     
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    Disagree, no equal standing exists, no one is born equally, no one understands exactly whatever it is exactly the same.

    Unless you were to clone them and run them through the exact same experiences, and even then it might come out differently.
     
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    No one here will see the same thing.

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    I was quoting about how we see God manifest in art. I say this because god by most standards is an immaterial omnipresence and for him to exist physically would be impossible from an atheist standpoint, An atheist would only see God if he was waving at him from the painting. You believe god does not inspire imagination or creativity. So you can't see god in paintings. People do see the same painting as human beings but they experience it differently. So it would be incorrect to say the see it differently under the same lighting condition.
     
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    But everyone is born equal man. We are all human. Your ability to see the same painting is only challenged by the experience you take back from it.
     
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    no, the experiences before may impact what you may see in front of you. The condition in which you are born in, your culture, you family's economic means, the places you have been, the kind of education you received, the weather, the animals you have seen, no one has the exact same experience in life, etc etc etc. Therefore it is not equal.

    If it were equal I would be able to understand your position with clarity, which I do not.
     
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    When i found God, i also found out that God isnt real. No sense in ducking and dodging reality. I cleared the decks of my delusions at the age of my youth.

    Many Atheists have no desire to live forever, and they cant understand anyone who does have this desire.

    But all i found in searching for God was utter dissappointment. And then as to not swim against the tide, i joined up with the practice of religion; probably just to survive and not be called out as a heretic.

    It wasted a lot of years i will never get back being on the quest for something i knew wasnt true.

    So i would fellowship as if a believer, to avoid trouble and pressure to convert. Just simply to get along for necessity sake.
    I didnt need enemies in my own house.

    The one thing i have noticed about believers is that the desire for a merciful God is strong, and they will unknowingly rationalize anything away that gets in the way of their beliefs. They are deeply committed and live the very things they read, though they make absolutely no coherent sense, they find sense in it anyway. They were absolutely blind to anything good outside of their box of belief. No one can make them see reality, while all the while i am under coercion to forfeit my sense of reality.

    The bottom line is truth. They had theirs, and i was after the real thing. They fell short of seeing reality for what it says is true, and only saw what the book was telling them was true. They gave up on themselves is all i can reckon.

    Every person is meant to see for themselves what is true and real. To see things as is and not as they want or need them to be.

    Sum it up, they knew they had the truth of reality, and so did i. And yet enemies is what they made out of me. Its what they made out of themselves toward every non believer.

    So if God was real , i really dont think God would care about belief and faith as a requirement to be saved from hell. God probably only would care that you did your best to live a good and decent life.

    Where is the obviousness of God in reality after all?
     
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    Maybe the prime God and Goddess is made in the images of the human mind and not the other way around? Anyway, IMO if someone finds god he/she finds himself/herself.
     
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    In Hinduism God exists in one's own inner Self. Meditation is a means of connect with it.
     
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    And in Buddhism there is nothing there but a void. Is this void the eternal godhead? As mailable as it is to exist in all platitudes from all senses and to all expression. A painting or canvas can definably be used to commune with god.
    This is a universe after all.
    We are one with the painting sounds funky and hippish but its pretty true if you think it over.
     
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    I see nothing. There are things that remind me of some shape or the technique how it was made, but what's the point of interpreting? This is why people never invite me into art shows.
     
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    Nirvana is not void.
     
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    When you detach from all material and exist in a pure state of nirvana you are void of all material. Becoming the immaterial, the void.
     
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