Did the true church ever vanish or completely fall away?

[Theodore A. Jones]

there very much is so eternity. I don't have to hope for that. I KNOW that. The Spirit in every human is eternal. Into the Father's hand will we all commit our Spirits.

Every natural born person is not a child of God. Jn. 1:13 And it is only those who have been born again of God who are related to him by the Holy Spirit. A Unitarian cat's scat stinks even though he covers it up.

 

[Unification]

RU a Unitarian

I am nothing and can't function or have the breath of life or a spirit or blood inside of me had it not been for the Son. He is the life and blood inside of me. Inside every human, inside every creature.

 

[metis]

See Mk. 10:32-34. Establishes malice aforethought. A capital offense. I give you no pardon or quarter nor do I suffer religious fools gladly and neither does Jesus Christ. For what has he said to you in Jn. 8:39-44?

It was legal under Roman law.

And why the hostility in your statement as I certainly wasn't posting anything that should have been offensive?

 

[Unification]

You are Unitarianism's poster child, but have only managed to get your hell chute ticket punched. Congrats.

A child of God indeed congratulating someone on punching a ticket to their version of a loving God tormenting me forever and eternally in a place he calls hell.

 

[Unification]

Every natural born person is not a child of God. Jn. 1:13 And it is only those who have been born again of God who are related to him by the Holy Spirit. A Unitarian cat's scat stinks even though he covers it up.

He is the light in every man that comes into the world. I forgive you, friend. It's the carnal nature speaking, not the light inside of you.

 

[sojourner]

Sojourner, even Wikipedia agrees that the "modern one" expresses the same "togetherness"= "summary".
However, because John's general stress is upon Jesus Christ' goal of why HE came to this world in the first place, rather than just the miracles and parables HE performed to show that HE IS/WAS the SON of the living GOD, does not negate that his Gospel is not concerning the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.. It is just a facet that the other Gospels didn't stress.
It is still a part of the overall life and teachings.

Speaking of "modern" verses old---the man's opinionated "Wikipedia" is "modern" and presents GOD as a myth and HIS teachings as outdated. I'll stick to the Scriptures which are time tested--and remain true.

Concerning the subject of biblical exegesis, the term synoptic means "seen together" and refers to the similarity of material shared by the first three gospels.

With regard to your "appraisal" of Wikidpedia vs. the bible, your opinion isn't worth commenting on further; it's vapidity speaks volumes all by itself

 

[Unification]

[QUOTE="metis, post: 4137755, member: 47735"
"It was legal under Roman law." B/S.
Get something strait Jew. NOTHING SUPPLANTS THE LAW OF THE LIVING GOD!

pretty hostile, sure that law is written on your heart?

 

[sojourner]

Jesus Christ is not the head of any contemporary church.

Bunk.

 

[sojourner]

Luke did record the birth of Jesus Christ the SON of GOD. They (the writers of the Gospels) were not "taking in hand...to write a declaration of the things believed about"--- Augustus. Because his subjects thought/considered Augustus as a son of the gods doesn't make him a SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

Jesus Christ was the acknowledged looked for "Savior of the world". Their minds was upon that fact(What is most surely believed) and not on worldly myths.

This statement simply isn't cogent to the discussion.

Satan "informed" Eve of wrong information--as well.

Wrong. Satan does not appear in Genesis. At all.

I mean those who trust the Scriptures rather than the "peer-reviewed" Wikipedia scholars.

Those people aren't scholars and know little by comparison.

When that last trumpet sounds, the only true church will be the one that will not vanish.

He thinks there's a trumpet...

 

[Unification]

Bunk.

Jesus Christ is not the head of any church building. Jesus Christ is the head of the human body where the Spirit dwells. .... Unless that head is covered by the carnality, and one is led by the flesh and not the Spirit.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus Christ is not the head of any church building. Jesus Christ is the head of the human body where the Spirit dwells. .... Unless that head is covered by the carnality, and one is led by the flesh and not the Spirit.

You didn't say "church building." Backpedaling, are we? Jesus is the head of the church -- the body of Christ on earth -- the assembly of believers. what's with the new-age mum-jumbo?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

You didn't say "church building." Backpedaling, are we? Jesus is the head of the church -- the body of Christ on earth -- the assembly of believers. what's with the new-age mum-jumbo?

Unitarianism=new age mumbo jumbo. Unitarians erroneously assert that the spirit of God has residence in all humans by ignoring the fact stated in Jn. 1:13.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Well, I do believe the above speaks for itself.

Which above?

 

[sincerly]

sincerly said: ↑
TAJ, John 3:16, is that requirement. and there are many churches which state/claim they believe that verse.
Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church and the cure for the Sin Problem.

Jn.16:8 is a statement of fact by Jesus Christ and you are playing scripture against scripture.

TAJ, So is John 3:16 a fact by Jesus; and HE doesn't speak contrary to HIMSELF.
When the Holy Spirit comes, as HE did at Pentecost, HE would carry on the Same work of readying people for eternity---reproving in "sin", "righteousness", and "judgment".

"For God so loved the world that he gave {his only begotten son over into the hands of wicked men to be murdered} so that whosoever beliveth in him {making a change of the law} shall not perish {if he obeys that law}, but have eternal life {granted to him as a gift}.

TAJ, Those "wicked men" were all of mankind from Adam to the last person to be born before Jesus Christ returns for the redeemed.(that would include you and I.)
However, Jesus Christ "lay down HIS life voluntarily" for those who Are repentant and in Love abide submitted and committed to the Will of the Father.

The laws which were changed were those which had to do with the sanctuary service(patterned after the one in Heaven) and the heart relationship to GOD.

"Eternal life is a "gift", but only to those whose lives by their "books of life" at the Judgment are worthy of "life" rather than "death".

The Way for an individual to be saved was not perfected until AFTER the Lord's ascension and the Way was not heard until the message was stated on the temple's portico on the day of Pentecost. What law did they have to hear and have the faith to obey BEFORE anyone was added to the church he is head of?

Wrong. Redemption was planned before the foundation of the world was laid. 1Pet. 1:18-20, "
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

All laws were made prior to Pentecost, because men can not change GOD'S Laws

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Bunk.

Jesus Christ is not the head of any contemporary church.

 

[Unification]

You didn't say "church building." Backpedaling, are we? Jesus is the head of the church -- the body of Christ on earth -- the assembly of believers. what's with the new-age mum-jumbo?

You didn't say "church building." Backpedaling, are we? Jesus is the head of the church -- the body of Christ on earth -- the assembly of believers. what's with the new-age mum-jumbo?

the lamb slain from the foundation of the world did not make the sacrifice for a vain church building of man's created empire. The Lamb slain sacrificed himself for every individual. Scriptures aren't a timeline nor a historical lesson. So we all can have "Eve's" and carry out God's will here on Earth through Him. Adam-Spirit-Christ, Eve- human body. The head of every individual is Christ. The husband-Christ, the bride- the human body. Spiritual Union. Great mystery indeed. Now, from a spiritual perspective, we are all one in God... We all have that same spirit of life and blood in us, and we are all connected by the spirit. The true body of Christ is any individual who worships in spirit and truth, and the compilation of that body are a group of individuals who have the spiritual Union to God.

 

[Unification]

the lamb slain from the foundation of the world did not make the sacrifice for a vain church building of man's created empire. The Lamb slain sacrificed himself for every individual. Scriptures aren't a timeline nor a historical lesson. So we all can have "Eve's" and carry out God's will here on Earth through Him. Adam-Spirit-Christ, Eve- human body. The head of every individual is Christ. The husband-Christ, the bride- the human body. Spiritual Union. Great mystery indeed. Now, from a spiritual perspective, we are all one in God... We all have that same spirit of life and blood in us, and we are all connected by the spirit. The true body of Christ is any individual who worships in spirit and truth, and the compilation of that body are a group of individuals who have the spiritual Union to God.

The spirit of the antichrist is one who doesn't profess that Christ came in the flesh. Literally, inside of an individual.

 

[Unification]

Unitarianism=new age mumbo jumbo. Unitarians erroneously assert that the spirit of God has residence in all humans by ignoring the fact stated in Jn. 1:13.

The light in all men that come into the world. When you do something of love and it's pure and not in vain... Is it you doing that or the spirit in you?

 

[Unification]

The light in all men that come into the world. When you do something of love and it's pure and not in vain... Is it you doing that or the spirit in you?

The Spirit of God doesn't rest upon a being until the divine spiritual Union of the Christ and body takes place.

 

[sojourner]

The Lamb slain sacrificed himself for every individual.

the sacrifice was for the human family -- not a "bunch of individuals."

the lamb slain from the foundation of the world did not make the sacrifice for a vain church building of man's created empire. The Lamb slain sacrificed himself for every individual. Scriptures aren't a timeline nor a historical lesson. So we all can have "Eve's" and carry out God's will here on Earth through Him. Adam-Spirit-Christ, Eve- human body. The head of every individual is Christ. The husband-Christ, the bride- the human body. Spiritual Union. Great mystery indeed. Now, from a spiritual perspective, we are all one in God... We all have that same spirit of life and blood in us, and we are all connected by the spirit. The true body of Christ is any individual who worships in spirit and truth, and the compilation of that body are a group of individuals who have the spiritual Union to God.

Sorry -- not buying your Christology without a whole lot more reason, explanation, and biblical/tradition support than you have here.