Did Jesus Christ actually die?

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Jesus wasn't a liberal. Liberal means there's no punishment, no responsibility, no boundaries, whatever is convenient for you. Liberalism of today is different from FDR type liberalism.

I would suggest that you learn what liberalism is.

 

[Skywalker]

I would suggest that you learn what liberalism is.

Liberalism used to mean being fair to people in ways like the second bill of rights, but now it means things that of a morally lax nature. Liberalism in modern times is like anarchy. They support things like legalizing drugs.

 

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The Ten Commandments were in the Ark of the Covenant. Was the Book of the Law (Torah) ever kept inside the Ark of the Covenant?

Not quite the answer that I was looking for. I asked for a quote. Can you quote the Ten Commandments that were in the Ark?

 

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Liberalism used to mean being fair to people in ways like the second bill of rights, but now it means things that of a morally lax nature. Liberalism in modern times is like anarchy. They support things like legalizing drugs.

I have seen very few liberals that are for supporting legalizing drugs. And I do not know of anything of a "morally lax nature" that they are for. Perhaps your morals are flawed.

 

[Skywalker]

Myth. Not literalism. Of course our sin has consequences. Doesn’t everything?

The sin of Adam had consequences that affected the entire human race. What is original sin? | GotQuestions.org

The parents of the human race – Adam and Eve – did not start off in this state. Rather, they were created without a sin nature and in the image of God Himself: "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them" (Genesis 1:26-27).

However, once humanity's parents sinned, their nature was corrupted with sin (cf. Gen. 3). And when Adam and Eve had children, their offspring bore the corrupted image of the now-corrupted parents: "When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth" (Genesis 5:3, emphasis added). And this process has continued right up to the present.

 

[Skywalker]

Who said anything about communism???

You said Jesus was a liberal. Communism is a liberal ideology and Jesus being communist is one of the lies that people say about Him. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

Didn't The Early Church Practice a Form of Communism?
No! The early Christians in Acts DIDN'T practice Communism in any way, fashion, or form. They weren't Communists. The communalism described in the Bible (Acts 2:44; 4:32) was a voluntary sharing of goods that had absolutely nothing to do with heathen Communism, which is a blueprint for world takeover, outlined in the Communist Manifesto authored by Karl Marx andFriedrich Engels in 1848.

 

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You said Jesus was a liberal. Communism is a liberal ideology and Jesus being communist is one of the lies that people say about Him. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

Have you heard what Jesus said about rich people? He is far more liberal than conservative. Do not conflate liberalism with communism. Are you claiming that conservatives are all fascists? That is the sort of error that you are making.

 

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The sin of Adam had consequences that affected the entire human race. What is original sin? | GotQuestions.org

Adam was mythical. If you believe that God cannot lie then you cannot believe in a literal Adam. One is calling God a liar when one does that.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus wasn't a liberal. Liberal means there's no punishment, no responsibility, no boundaries, whatever is convenient for you. Liberalism of today is different from FDR type liberalism.

This doesn’t fit your use of the word in post #754. Further, Merriam Webster defines “liberal” as: Broad-minded, especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms. This describes Jesus’ theological stance to a T. I have no idea where you got your definition, but probably not as authoritative a definition as Merriam-Webster offers.

 

[sojourner]

The sin of Adam had consequences that affected the entire human race. What is original sin? | GotQuestions.org

Adam, according to the story, represents all humanity. And, in the story, humanity acquired wisdom. Racial wisdom does, by definition, affect the race. But the acquisition of wisdom points neither to sin, nor to a separation from God. For God is wisdom, yes?

 

[sojourner]

You said Jesus was a liberal. Communism is a liberal ideology and Jesus being communist is one of the lies that people say about Him. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

Don’t conflate philosophical liberalism with political structure. Although I will say that according to Acts 3, his disciples held all things in common. I will further note that during his ministry, the disciples had a common purse. This doesn’t denote a political structure of communism, but it does represent the liberal philosophy of equity.

 

[Skywalker]

Adam, according to the story, represents all humanity. And, in the story, humanity acquired wisdom. Racial wisdom does, by definition, affect the race. But the acquisition of wisdom points neither to sin, nor to a separation from God. For God is wisdom, yes?

We weren't supposed to know good and evil. Ignorance is bliss. If someone doesn't know about something that they aren't supposed to do, they won't be tempted by it.

 

[Skywalker]

Don’t conflate philosophical liberalism with political structure. Although I will say that according to Acts 3, his disciples held all things in common. I will further note that during his ministry, the disciples had a common purse. This doesn’t denote a political structure of communism, but it does represent the liberal philosophy of equity.

Communism isn't good even in theory. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

Communism aims to make government bigger; while constricting the freedoms, rights and individuality of it's middle-class citizens. The Communist Manifesto, which is the bible of the Communists, states:

The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property ... This... is called by the bourgeois [i.e., the middle-class], abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so. The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at... In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.

SOURCE: Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

Did the early church desire to eliminate privately owned property, so that the government would own everything? No way! Clearly, Communism is against individual freedom, the right to own property, and individuality. Under Communism, police brutality and tyranny thrive. In China today, a woman is forbidden by law to have more than one child. For a young woman to do so in China results in criminal prosecution, forced abortion, sterilization, and a hefty fine. Only a fool would dare claim that God approves of such monstrous laws and Communist oppression.

 

[Skywalker]

This doesn’t fit your use of the word in post #754. Further, Merriam Webster defines “liberal” as: Broad-minded, especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms. This describes Jesus’ theological stance to a T. I have no idea where you got your definition, but probably not as authoritative a definition as Merriam-Webster offers.

The word liberal is related to the Italian word liberale which means free. Liberal can mean things like FDR's second bill of rights, being fair to everyone, giving money to social programs that help the poor, but liberal can sometimes mean believing in legalizing marijuana and legalizing abortion and taking kids away from their parents because they don't want them to gender transition. Jesus was against that type of liberalism.

 

[Skywalker]

Adam was mythical. If you believe that God cannot lie then you cannot believe in a literal Adam. One is calling God a liar when one does that.

Adam was not mythical. People want to believe that Adam is a myth because it's not easy for us to believe that we have a sin nature because we don't want to be told that we have a problem. Original Sin: How Original Is It? Romans 5:12

What Does It Mean To Be “In Adam”?
The expression “in Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:22) means “to be part of the group which finds in Adam its representative and leader, which finds its identity and destiny in Adam and what he has brought about for his people.”23 This idea of being “in Adam” brings up a common objection to the teaching of original sin, which Giberson raises: “What justice permits you and me to be punished for something with which we had nothing to do?”24

Of course, the view that we are guilty sinners in Adam is repulsive to our self-serving individualistic Western world. However, this overlooks the corporate dimension to human life and the biblical concept of federal headship (one individual representing an entire group—see Joshua 7:10–26).25 Adam is our federal head. In the Garden of Eden Adam was not simply acting for himself but for all those he represents. Godappointed Adam to act not only for himself but also for his descendants. Never have we been more perfectly represented than when we were represented through Adam. Yet, the real reason many reject the idea of inherited sin from Adam is stated by the late James Montgomery Boice:

I am convinced that the major reason why the liberal scholars want to regard the opening chapters of Genesis as mythology is that they do not want to face the reality of the fall of the race in Adam or the guilt that flows from it.26
As fallen human beings there is a vigorous protest within our hearts against the belief in the imputation of guilt from one person to another.

 

[Skywalker]

Have you heard what Jesus said about rich people? He is far more liberal than conservative. Do not conflate liberalism with communism. Are you claiming that conservatives are all fascists? That is the sort of error that you are making.

Jesus was not against people being rich. He was against the corruption in the temple and people making a god out of money. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

The Bible Teaches Capitalism Every Christian ought to fully support Capitalism, which simply means a man gets to keep what he honestly earns. Socialism is the road to Communism. Here are some dictionary definitions of the two forms of tyranny...SOCIALISM—An economic system based on state ownership of capital; a political theory advocating state ownership of industry.
COMMUNISM—A form of socialism that abolishes private ownership; a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society.
Democracy is not freedom; but rather, is majority rule (which overrides individual liberty). Karl Marx, considered by many to be the father of modern-day Communism, said that Communism could be summed up in one statement, that is, “the abolition of private property.” For years I didn't understand why he said that. But then I learned after gaining understanding from research that private property means RIGHTS. If you don't own any property, in effect you have no say in what goes on. You have NO RIGHTS! As long as the government owns everything, they have all the rights. In Communism, the government has total control over everything, like China and North Korea today. With ownership of private property comes ownership rights. Liberty and rights are synonymous!

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[sojourner]

We weren't supposed to know good and evil. Ignorance is bliss. If someone doesn't know about something that they aren't supposed to do, they won't be tempted by it.

That’s the problem with glomming together old myths with Christian theology. You come up with weird stuff like this. That’s not what the myth means.

 

[sojourner]

Communism isn't good even in theory. No Such Thing As 'Christian Communism'

I didn’t say it was. Did you read my post?

 

[sojourner]

The word liberal is related to the Italian word liberale which means free. Liberal can mean things like FDR's second bill of rights, being fair to everyone, giving money to social programs that help the poor, but liberal can sometimes mean believing in legalizing marijuana and legalizing abortion and taking kids away from their parents because they don't want them to gender transition. Jesus was against that type of liberalism.

I don’t believe so. Marijuana and abortion and gender transition are all legal — Jesus or not. You’re starting off track with your conflation.

 

[sojourner]

Adam was not mythical. People want to believe that Adam is a myth because it's not easy for us to believe that we have a sin nature because we don't want to be told that we have a problem. Original Sin: How Original Is It? Romans 5:12

No, that’s not it. We know Adam is mythic because that’s the type of literature of that story.