Did Hebrew Old Testament develop out of Canaanite Polytheism?

[sooda]

Here is more on the Canaanite origins. Im sure you will be able to refute this. :biglaugh:



Ugarit and the Bible

El was the chief god at Ugarit. Yet El is also the name of God used in many of the Psalms for Yahweh; or at least that has been the presupposition among pious Christians. Yet when one reads these Psalms and the Ugaritic texts one sees that the very attributes for which Yahweh is acclaimed are the same for which El is acclaimed. In fact, these Psalms were most likely originally Ugaritic or Canaanite hymns to El which were simply adopted by Israel,


What this means is that the Hebrew theologians adopted the titles of the Canaanite gods and attributed them to Yahweh in an effort to eliminate them.

The ancient Canaanite city-state of Ugarit is of utmost importance for those who study the Old Testament. The literature of the city and the theology contained therein go a very long way in helping us to understand the meaning of various Biblical passages as well as aiding us in deciphering difficult Hebrew words. Ugarit was at its political, religious and economic height around the 12th century BCE and thus its period of greatness corresponds with the entry of Israel into Canaan.

Why should people interested in the Old Testament want to know about this city and its inhabitants? Simply because when we listen to their voices we hear echoes of the Old Testament itself. Several of the Psalms were simply adapted from Ugaritic sources; the story of the flood has a near mirror image in Ugaritic literature; and the language of the Bible is greatly illuminated by the language of Ugarit. For instance, look at M. Dahood s brilliant commentary on the Psalms in the Anchor Bible series for the necessity of Ugaritic for accurate Biblical exegesis. (N.B., for a more thorough discussion of the language of Ugarit, the student is advised to take the course titled Ugaritic Grammar offered by this institution).

In short, when one has well in hand the literature and theology of Ugarit, one is well on the way to being able to comprehend some of the most important ideas contained in the Old Testament. For this reason it is worthwhile that we pursue this topic.

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[sooda]

That is, indeed, the narrative. To accept it as historical fact is an act of faith and, in my opinion, a rather naive one.

There was no Ur of the Chaldeas in the time of Abraham. Perhaps he was from Urfa which was near Haran. The language was Aramaic.. also a Semitic language.

Ancient Aram, bordering northern Israel and now called Syria, is considered the linguistic center of Aramaic, the language of the Arameans who settled the area during the Bronze Age circa 3500 BC. The language is often mistakenly considered to have originated within Assyria (Iraq).

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Did Hebrew religion develop from Canaanite polytheism? Were the Hebrews polytheistic, henotheistic, or pantheistic?
I don't think so, but it is a prevalent theory.

It seems to be the case. Not only does the bible not hide all the polytheistic references, but we can look up others' myths and see their take on similar "biblical" stories. The bible shows a clear evolution of God's character (which God is up for debate, as Israel clearly preferred El and Judah preferred Yahweh), from a physical being largely no different than any other, able to hang out with you and eat meals with you and such. Then, the authors decide that God doesn't appear in reality but tells you via dreams and voices. Then they decide THAT is a problem and angels speak for God. Then THAT is a problem for some reason and you have human prophets speaking for the angels who speak for God. So on and so forth until you get "this author wrote about something somebody heard from about a couple generations' back about a human telling a story about someone having a dream about an angel talking for God", etc. You would think God's Word would have more God in it. This is paralleled in the NT, where Jesus isn't even half the story, seems like. He's more of a first act character who gets killed off because the contract expired.

So lets ask, why were they polytheistic to only Canaanite deities, and not any other cultures deities???????????

Isn't it hard to tell because the Mediterranean tends to share gods along trade routes?

the golden calf incident

The funny thing about that is that El was represented as a bull (and bull motifs crop up in His entire pantheon). Hebrews could very well have been worshiping El, the "true" God before Yahweh shows up in the story, and the later authors didn't realize the earlier significance and accused them of idolatry, which is funny since the Temple had bulls as decorations too. Early Hebrews should sue Temple-era Jews for suggesting they were idolators when using the exact same iconography as the Temple.
God: Don't make graven images.
People: Okay.
God: Need ya to make a bronze magic snake.
People: But, wait ....
God: When you build a temple, make sure it has giant golden bulls.
People: YOU JUST KILLED US FOR --.
God: And the magic box Indiana Jones rescues need to have cherubim on it.
People: But ... but ... but ...

El was the father of Yahweh, and Asherah was Els wife long before some Israelites attributed Els wife to Yahweh.

I'm writing a book about Satan and I use the characters from the Canaanite pantheon because I find pre-Jewish mythology amazing. I was staring at a map of Israel for inspiration and realized that El is from Mount Lel, which I discovered was Mount Hermon (a TRINITY of peaks), which is the source of the Jordan River, which leads to the Sea of Galilee (Asherah's abode) and later to the Dead Sea. Since Yam/Yah per the Baal Cycle is a sea god to counter Baal Hadad's storm powers, I had the geography "prove" that Yahweh, in fine biblical tradition, try to rape Asherah, His Mom, to claim the divine throne out from under El, like Absalom did (more or less). The Jordan River is the penis and Galilee gets it from both ends.

My point was that all throughout the Bible El is a title, it means "God or 'god', the same way we use it. It isn't a name dude.

Baal was the same thing. This leads to a question of "which god are they worshiping when the authors complain, because even Yahweh is a Baal when it's used as a common noun."

In Hebraic writing it isn't a name, it's a title,

It's considered a title NOW, but was it THEN?

if you think a proper name changed overnight into a title that's great, you can believe whatever you want.

Lots of characters probably didn't even exist in the bible, because people and place names tended to be conflated, like thinking Paris, France was founded by Paris Hilton.

Judaism's core is based on the one and only G-D.

Judah isn't even a thing much until it becomes the "CSA" of Israel after a civil war. You have Hebrew religion, then Israelite religion, THEN Jewish religion.

Books are people's opinions.

The bible is a book. FYI.

The conception of God in Judaism is strictly monotheistic.

"Is", not "was".

Several pieces of evidence have led scholars to the conclusion that El was the original "God of Israel"

Yeah, the country doesn't call itself "Isra-yah."

By contrast, Biblical minimalists such as Philip Davies and Niels Peter Lemche regard the Exodus as a fiction composed in the Persian period or even later, without even the memory of a historical Moses.[83][84]

I would argue it started with King Josiah, as the story almost practically states he made it up because he needed to shore up a national identity He is compared to David, not Moses, even though a "law book" is found (wonder how dry the ink was). You start to realize that hardly anyone in that story ever talks of Moses. The complaint is that the people did not know the Lord (Yahweh), but how can this be if they at least had oral stories of it? Instead, the entire OT probably up to that point seems to be invented in its totality if not, more generously, based on an ancient law book that was actually ancient.

Judaism is about the belief one G-D. There may have been jews who went their own way. However, those jews were not following Judaism.

But when did Judaism become a thing? Abraham wasn't a Jew. There are NO Jews until much later in the story.

Early Judaism was about the belief in one G-D.

Archaeology doesn't seem to agree.

But the Abrahamics did not just copy these ideas carte blanc, instead adding their own variations, undoubtedly influenced by their own cultures and experiences.

Indeed. Yahweh kills a sea serpent representing chaos in the bible, but in the Baal Cycle, Baal kills Yah(weh). In the bible, Yahweh accuses the other gods of being lazy jerks, but in the Baal Cycle, Yah(weh) is more of a jerk than anyone else and Baal Hadad must kill Him because He is terrorizing the others.

So the Hebrews were from a different stock to the Canaanites.

But Hebrews just meant nomads at first, and ethnicity didn't matter.

It was very common back then for a family head to keep a collection of different gods in the home.

Hell, people do that now. Some rooms I've been in have crosses and angels everywhere.

And later, when God rescued Abrahams descendents from Egypt, they all agreed to the terms of the covenant which stipulated that they only worship Jehovah God and no other gods.

But this never happened. Anachronisms throughout the OT reveal it to be later inventions to provide useful narrative for whoever was in charge at the time. Archaeology Find: Camels In 'Bible' Are Literary Anachronisms

believing in the truth of your scriptures would be a good start

I think idolatry is a sin. YMMV.

 

[sooda]

It seems to be the case. Not only does the bible not hide all the polytheistic references, but we can look up others' myths and see their take on similar "biblical" stories. The bible shows a clear evolution of God's character (which God is up for debate, as Israel clearly preferred El and Judah preferred Yahweh), from a physical being largely no different than any other, able to hang out with you and eat meals with you and such. Then, the authors decide that God doesn't appear in reality but tells you via dreams and voices. Then they decide THAT is a problem and angels speak for God. Then THAT is a problem for some reason and you have human prophets speaking for the angels who speak for God. So on and so forth until you get "this author wrote about something somebody heard from about a couple generations' back about a human telling a story about someone having a dream about an angel talking for God", etc. You would think God's Word would have more God in it. This is paralleled in the NT, where Jesus isn't even half the story, seems like. He's more of a first act character who gets killed off because the contract expired.


Isn't it hard to tell because the Mediterranean tends to share gods along trade routes?


The funny thing about that is that El was represented as a bull (and bull motifs crop up in His entire pantheon). Hebrews could very well have been worshiping El, the "true" God before Yahweh shows up in the story, and the later authors didn't realize the earlier significance and accused them of idolatry, which is funny since the Temple had bulls as decorations too. Early Hebrews should sue Temple-era Jews for suggesting they were idolators when using the exact same iconography as the Temple.
God: Don't make graven images.
People: Okay.
God: Need ya to make a bronze magic snake.
People: But, wait ....
God: When you build a temple, make sure it has giant golden bulls.
People: YOU JUST KILLED US FOR --.
God: And the magic box Indiana Jones rescues need to have cherubim on it.
People: But ... but ... but ...


I'm writing a book about Satan and I use the characters from the Canaanite pantheon because I find pre-Jewish mythology amazing. I was staring at a map of Israel for inspiration and realized that El is from Mount Lel, which I discovered was Mount Hermon (a TRINITY of peaks), which is the source of the Jordan River, which leads to the Sea of Galilee (Asherah's abode) and later to the Dead Sea. Since Yam/Yah per the Baal Cycle is a sea god to counter Baal Hadad's storm powers, I had the geography "prove" that Yahweh, in fine biblical tradition, try to rape Asherah, His Mom, to claim the divine throne out from under El, like Absalom did (more or less). The Jordan River is the penis and Galilee gets it from both ends.


Baal was the same thing. This leads to a question of "which god are they worshiping when the authors complain, because even Yahweh is a Baal when it's used as a common noun."


It's considered a title NOW, but was it THEN?


Lots of characters probably didn't even exist in the bible, because people and place names tended to be conflated, like thinking Paris, France was founded by Paris Hilton.


Judah isn't even a thing much until it becomes the "CSA" of Israel after a civil war. You have Hebrew religion, then Israelite religion, THEN Jewish religion.


The bible is a book. FYI.


"Is", not "was".


Yeah, the country doesn't call itself "Isra-yah."


I would argue it started with King Josiah, as the story almost practically states he made it up because he needed to shore up a national identity He is compared to David, not Moses, even though a "law book" is found (wonder how dry the ink was). You start to realize that hardly anyone in that story ever talks of Moses. The complaint is that the people did not know the Lord (Yahweh), but how can this be if they at least had oral stories of it? Instead, the entire OT probably up to that point seems to be invented in its totality if not, more generously, based on an ancient law book that was actually ancient.


But when did Judaism become a thing? Abraham wasn't a Jew. There are NO Jews until much later in the story.


Archaeology doesn't seem to agree.


Indeed. Yahweh kills a sea serpent representing chaos in the bible, but in the Baal Cycle, Baal kills Yah(weh). In the bible, Yahweh accuses the other gods of being lazy jerks, but in the Baal Cycle, Yah(weh) is more of a jerk than anyone else and Baal Hadad must kill Him because He is terrorizing the others.


But Hebrews just meant nomads at first, and ethnicity didn't matter.


Hell, people do that now. Some rooms I've been in have crosses and angels everywhere.


But this never happened. Anachronisms throughout the OT reveal it to be later inventions to provide useful narrative for whoever was in charge at the time. Archaeology Find: Camels In 'Bible' Are Literary Anachronisms


I think idolatry is a sin. YMMV.

If you are interested in the Canaanite pantheon and its influence on the Hebrews read it this.. Its excellent.

Quartz Hill School of Theology

 

[The Anointed]

Did Hebrew religion develop from Canaanite polytheism? Were the Hebrews polytheistic, henotheistic, or pantheistic?
I don't think so, but it is a prevalent theory..
discuss

Nope! The Canaanites are the descendants of Noah's grandson Canaan, who was cursed by Noah, for what he had done to his grand-father as he lay naked in his tent in a drunken stupor. See Genesis 9: 24.

The term ben, can mean son or male descendant, Canaan at the time that he was cursed by Noah, was his youngest male descendant.

Jubilees 7: 13; And Ham knew that his father had cursed his younger son, and he was displeased that he had cursed his son. and he parted from his father, he and his sons with him, Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. And he built for himself a city and called its name after the name of his wife Ne’elatama’uk.

Ham the father of Canaan, and Shem the great, great grand-father of Heber, the father of the Hebrew race, were both taught the religion of Noah as written by Enoch the great grand-father of Noah, which two nations diverged one from the other over time, as did their religion, with some minor similarities remaining.

Jubilees 4: 16; Jared took to himself a wife, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father’s brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, [522 A.M.] and she bare him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and 17 he called his name Enoch. And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of 18 their separate months. And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years 19 as we made (them), known to him. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all 20 the children of men and for their generations.

The religious books of Enoch were handed down through Noah, Heber and Abraham, but not of the Canaanites, although the Zulu's, who are the descendants of Ham the great-great grandson of Enoch, call their God, 'Unkulukulu,' which means Great-great Grandfather.

 

[sooda]

Nope! The Canaanites are the descendants of Noah's grandson Canaan, who was cursed by Noah, for what he had done to his grand-father as he lay naked in his tent in a drunken stupor. See Genesis 9: 24.

The term ben, can mean son or male descendant, Canaan at the time that he was cursed by Noah, was his youngest male descendant.

Jubilees 7: 13; And Ham knew that his father had cursed his younger son, and he was displeased that he had cursed his son. and he parted from his father, he and his sons with him, Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. And he built for himself a city and called its name after the name of his wife Ne’elatama’uk.

Ham the father of Canaan, and Shem the great, great grand-father of Heber, the father of the Hebrew race, were both taught the religion of Noah as written by Enoch the great grand-father of Noah, which two nations diverged one from the other over time, as did their religion, with some minor similarities remaining.

Jubilees 4: 16; Jared took to himself a wife, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father’s brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, [522 A.M.] and she bare him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and 17 he called his name Enoch. And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of 18 their separate months. And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years 19 as we made (them), known to him. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all 20 the children of men and for their generations.

The religious books of Enoch were handed down through Noah, Heber and Abraham, but not of the Canaanites, although the Zulu's, who are the descendants of Ham the great-great grandson of Enoch, call their God, 'Unkulukulu,' which means Great-great Grandfather.

The Hebrews were Canaanites and the Book of Enoch was written between 300 BC and 100 AD.

The dating of Enoch varies from scholar to scholar. However, it seems most agree the earliest parts of the book were written during the pre-Maccabaean period.

This would place it sometime before 164 B.C.E. Dates for the earliest portions have ranged from sometime in the 300's B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E.

R. H. Charles was the leading expert on the subject in the early part of the 20th century. He argued the book of Enoch was written over a period of years.

The latest portions were written in 64 B.C.E. The earliest portions were written during the above mentioned pre-Maccabaean period. However, even Charles stopped short of claiming his dates as exact.

The book of Enoch (I Enoch) belongs to a collection of writings known as the Apocalyptic Literature. According to sacred-texts.com , the Apocalyptic Literature surfaced extensively in the years between 200 and 150 B.C.E.

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However, the book of Enoch resurfaced at the beginning of the 17th century AD when it was discovered in Ethiopia, written in an Ethiopic language. In fact, the book of Enoch is preserved in it's entirety in the Church at Ethiopia, and is included in their Bible. The Ethiopians claim it was divine scripture, and treat it as such to this day.

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The Book of Enoch

 

[The Anointed]

The Hebrews were Canaanites and the Book of Enoch was written between 300 BC and 100 AD.

The dating of Enoch varies from scholar to scholar. However, it seems most agree the earliest parts of the book were written during the pre-Maccabaean period.

This would place it sometime before 164 B.C.E. Dates for the earliest portions have ranged from sometime in the 300's B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E.

R. H. Charles was the leading expert on the subject in the early part of the 20th century. He argued the book of Enoch was written over a period of years.

The latest portions were written in 64 B.C.E. The earliest portions were written during the above mentioned pre-Maccabaean period. However, even Charles stopped short of claiming his dates as exact.

The book of Enoch (I Enoch) belongs to a collection of writings known as the Apocalyptic Literature. According to sacred-texts.com , the Apocalyptic Literature surfaced extensively in the years between 200 and 150 B.C.E.

snip

However, the book of Enoch resurfaced at the beginning of the 17th century AD when it was discovered in Ethiopia, written in an Ethiopic language. In fact, the book of Enoch is preserved in it's entirety in the Church at Ethiopia, and is included in their Bible. The Ethiopians claim it was divine scripture, and treat it as such to this day.

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The Book of Enoch

The oldest known Jewish work not included in the canon of Constantine’s universal church, is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, the known COPIES of which (And I repeat 'COPIES] were written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE.

The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.

I believe, and have already revealed, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest COPIES of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, the chosen cornerstone to which the righteous are gathered in the creation of God’s new glorious temple of Light, which is to replace his old earthly tabernacle=tent (the body of mankind,) and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

After Enoch had been carried to the very throne of the Most-High in the creation and anointed as his successor. "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the Most-High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save but one man) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the CHRIST, he is the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of the Most-High in the creation]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

After Enoch in his ascension to the ends of time, had been in the valley of man for three days (Three thousand years) he was reborn on earth and revealed as the man Jesus in who were the spirits of the righteous over whom death had no more power.

These were they, who had paid the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes they had made while in the flesh, who were the separated from the unrighteous dead and entered into rest as they were gathered to the evolving spirit of Enoch within the bosom of Abraham, and over they, the second death had no power.

Isaiah 57: 1-2; “Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can harm them. Those who lead good lives, find peace and rest in death.”

1st Peter 1: 19-21; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire?

In the Book of Enoch the Prophet, and in his ascension to the throne of the MOST HIGH, Enoch saw Jesus, and in 39: 8; he says; “And there I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwelling place and there hence forth has been my portion. For so hath it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.

Then concerning Jesus the elect one of righteousness, Enoch says in 49: 3; “And in him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit which gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, AND THE SPIRITS OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

To be continued after my favorite TV program.

 

[sooda]

The oldest known Jewish work not included in the canon of Constantine’s universal church, is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, the known COPIES of which (And I repeat 'COPIES] were written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE.

The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.

I believe, and have already revealed, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest COPIES of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, the chosen cornerstone to which the righteous are gathered in the creation of God’s new glorious temple of Light, which is to replace his old earthly tabernacle=tent (the body of mankind,) and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

After Enoch had been carried to the very throne of the Most-High in the creation and anointed as his successor. "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the Most-High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save but one man) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the CHRIST, he is the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of the Most-High in the creation]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

After Enoch in his ascension to the ends of time, had been in the valley of man for three days (Three thousand years) he was reborn on earth and revealed as the man Jesus in who were the spirits of the righteous over whom death had no more power.

These were they, who had paid the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes they had made while in the flesh, who were the separated from the unrighteous dead and entered into rest as they were gathered to the evolving spirit of Enoch within the bosom of Abraham, and over they, the second death had no power.

Isaiah 57: 1-2; “Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can harm them. Those who lead good lives, find peace and rest in death.”

1st Peter 1: 19-21; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire?

In the Book of Enoch the Prophet, and in his ascension to the throne of the MOST HIGH, Enoch saw Jesus, and in 39: 8; he says; “And there I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwelling place and there hence forth has been my portion. For so hath it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.

Then concerning Jesus the elect one of righteousness, Enoch says in 49: 3; “And in him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit which gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, AND THE SPIRITS OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

To be continued after my favorite TV program.

Dead Sea scrolls date
Discovered between 1947 and 1956, the Dead Sea Scrolls comprise some 800 documents but in many tens of thousands of fragments. The Scrolls date from around 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. and were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek; they contain Biblical and apocryphal works, prayers and legal texts and sectarian documents.

The older sections of Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300 BCE, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to the 1st century BCE.

It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as noncanonical or noninspired.

It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups.

 

[The Anointed]

Dead Sea scrolls date
Discovered between 1947 and 1956, the Dead Sea Scrolls comprise some 800 documents but in many tens of thousands of fragments. The Scrolls date from around 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. and were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek; they contain Biblical and apocryphal works, prayers and legal texts and sectarian documents.

The older sections of Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300 BCE, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to the 1st century BCE.

It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as noncanonical or noninspired.

It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups.

Sooda wrote........... Dead Sea scrolls date
Discovered between 1947 and 1956, the Dead Sea Scrolls comprise some 800 documents but in many tens of thousands of fragments. The Scrolls date from around 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. and were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek; they contain Biblical and apocryphal works, prayers and legal texts and sectarian documents.

The Anointed...….. Realising that you have proven time and time again that you are incapable of Comprehending anything that you read, let me here repeat, they were COPIES of the book of Enoch that were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls. You do know the difference between the original and the Copies, well at least I hope you do.

Sooda wrote........... The older sections of Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300 BCE, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to the 1st century BCE.

The Anointed...…… Again, knowing that you have proven yourself to be incapable of comprehending anything that you read, let me repeat; " The older sections of the COPIES (mainly in the book of the Watchers/Observers) are estimated to date from about 300 B.C. Not the originals, but the COPIES.

Sooda wrote........... It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as noncanonical or noninspired.

The Anointed...……. Of course it's not part of the canon of the Jews or the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, which was established in the fourth century, even though Moses referred to the words of Righteous Enoch, when giving to his brother the regulations of the new church, in that the scape goat to which the sins of Israel were symbolically transferred, be sent out into the wilderness to Azazel to whom all sin was to be ascribed, the Jews and the church of Rome rejected.

Although the writing of righteous Enoch, from which Jesus and his apostles quoted, were cherished by the early Christians, up until the fourth century, when, under the ban of dogmatic religious authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia.

ISooda wrote........... It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups.

The Anointed...….. And by me, don't forget that old girl.

Well, it's ten thirty PM over here, and being seventy seven and having consumed my customary two glasses of red wine, I'm off to drop the lead into the old weeping willow and plough the deep. So from the great-great grand-dad down under, I bid you nighty night grandma.

 

[sooda]

Sooda wrote........... Dead Sea scrolls date
Discovered between 1947 and 1956, the Dead Sea Scrolls comprise some 800 documents but in many tens of thousands of fragments. The Scrolls date from around 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. and were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek; they contain Biblical and apocryphal works, prayers and legal texts and sectarian documents.

The Anointed...….. Realising that you have proven time and time again that you are incapable of Comprehending anything that you read, let me here repeat, they were COPIES of the book of Enoch that were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls. You do know the difference between the original and the Copies, well at least I hope you do.

Sooda wrote........... The older sections of Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300 BCE, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to the 1st century BCE.

The Anointed...…… Again, knowing that you have proven yourself to be incapable of comprehending anything that you read, let me repeat; " The older sections of the COPIES (mainly in the book of the Watchers/Observers) are estimated to date from about 300 B.C. Not the originals, but the COPIES.

Sooda wrote........... It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as noncanonical or noninspired.

The Anointed...……. Of course it's not part of the canon of the Jews or the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, which was established in the fourth century, even though Moses referred to the words of Righteous Enoch, when giving to his brother the regulations of the new church, in that the scape goat to which the sins of Israel were symbolically transferred, be sent out into the wilderness to Azazel to whom all sin was to be ascribed, the Jews and the church of Rome rejected.

Although the writing of righteous Enoch, from which Jesus and his apostles quoted, were cherished by the early Christians, up until the fourth century, when, under the ban of dogmatic religious authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia.

ISooda wrote........... It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups.

The Anointed...….. And by me, don't forget that old girl.

Well, it's ten thirty PM over here, and being seventy seven and having consumed my customary two glasses of red wine, I'm off to drop the lead into the old weeping willow and plough the deep. So from the great-great grand-dad down under, I bid you nighty night grandma.

Do you actually think Moses wrote the Pentateuch?

 

[The Anointed]

Do you actually think Moses wrote the Pentateuch?

Only a fool, after reading same, would believe such nonsense. It was written in the second person by the author who wrote in Deuteronomy 31: 24-26; After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD: 26"Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

Does that sound like Moses actually wrote the book of Deuteronomy?

Deuteronomy 34: 1; Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the LORD showed him the whole land-from Gilead to 'DAN.' and there on the mountain he died at the command of God, he was 140, and had not lost his vital strength, etc.

Dan received the seventh allotment of Land which is today Gaza, but they couldn't remove the original inhabitants and were forced to live in the hill country with their brother tribe 'Benjamin.' Some 40 years after the occupation of Canaan, the other tribes attacked and wiped out the tribe of Benjamin, only six hundred men from the tribe of Dan survived the slaughter, they then moved north and Killed all that peaceful people in the town of Laish in the land of Sidon, and renamed it DAN, this was some 40 odd years after the death of Moses.

Gotta go, the wife's wants to go to town, see ya.

 

[sooda]

Only a fool, after reading same, would believe such nonsense. It was written in the second person by the author who wrote in Deuteronomy 31: 24-26; After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD: 26"Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

Does that sound like Moses actually wrote the book of Deuteronomy?

Deuteronomy 34: 1; Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the LORD showed him the whole land-from Gilead to 'DAN.' and there on the mountain he died at the command of God, he was 140, and had not lost his vital strength, etc.

Dan received the seventh allotment of Land which is today Gaza, but they couldn't remove the original inhabitants and were forced to live in the hill country with their brother tribe 'Benjamin.' Some 40 years after the occupation of Canaan, the other tribes attacked and wiped out the tribe of Benjamin, only six hundred men from the tribe of Dan survived the slaughter, they then moved north and Killed all that peaceful people in the town of Laish in the land of Sidon, and renamed it DAN, this was some 40 odd years after the death of Moses.

Gotta go, the wife's wants to go to town, see ya.

Its not true.. The Pentateuch had many, many authors 800 years after the death of Moses the Egyptian.

Broad consensus of modern scholars concerning Deuteronomy see its origin in traditions from Israel (the northern kingdom) brought south to the Kingdom of Judah in the wake of the Assyrian conquest of Aram (8th century BC) and then adapted to a program of nationalist reform in the time of King Josiah (late 7th century BC), with the final form of the modern book emerging in the milieu of the return from the Babylonian Captivity during the late 6th century BC.

 

[The Anointed]

Its not true.. The Pentateuch had many, many authors 800 years after the death of Moses the Egyptian.

Broad consensus of modern scholars concerning Deuteronomy see its origin in traditions from Israel (the northern kingdom) brought south to the Kingdom of Judah in the wake of the Assyrian conquest of Aram (8th century BC) and then adapted to a program of nationalist reform in the time of King Josiah (late 7th century BC), with the final form of the modern book emerging in the milieu of the return from the Babylonian Captivity during the late 6th century BC.

You must be referring to Moses the Israelite, who was adopted by the pharaoh's daughter. But we understand that you really do not have the ability to comprehend anything that you read, so we must forgive you. As to the rest of your cut and pasted articles on the assumptions of your modern atheist scholars, you keep on believing their erroneous assumptions if you will, but I will continue to believe that the Holy scriptures were housed in the Temple of Solomon, which was built in 1057 B.C. and was sacked and burned 470 years later in 587 B.C., by the forces of Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[sooda]

You must be referring to Moses the Israelite, who was adopted by the pharaoh's daughter. But we understand that you really do not have the ability to comprehend anything that you read, so we must forgive you. As to the rest of your cut and pasted articles on the assumptions of your modern atheist scholars, you keep on believing their erroneous assumptions if you will, but I will continue to believe that the Holy scriptures were housed in the Temple of Solomon, which was built in 1057 B.C. and was sacked and burned 470 years later in 587 B.C., by the forces of Nebuchadnezzar.

Are you using Joseph Smith's Book o Moses?

You know the scriptures were NOT in the Temple in 587 BC because the Jews at Elephantine Island had NO knowledge of it.

Egypt Remembers: Ancient accounts of the Great Exodus ...
Ooops! Something is wrong here ...egypt...

According to Manetho, Moses was an Egyptian and not a Hebrew, who lived at the time of Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaten (1405-1367 BC). Manetho also indicated that the Israelites’ Exodus took place in the reign of a succeeding king whose name was Ramses.

 

[The Anointed]

Are you using Joseph Smith's Book o Moses?

You know the scriptures were NOT in the Temple in 587 BC because the Jews at Elephantine Island had NO knowledge of it.

Egypt Remembers: Ancient accounts of the Great Exodus ...
Ooops! Something is wrong here ...egypt...

According to Manetho, Moses was an Egyptian and not a Hebrew, who lived at the time of Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaten (1405-1367 BC). Manetho also indicated that the Israelites’ Exodus took place in the reign of a succeeding king whose name was Ramses.

No, I am not using Joseph smith's book of Moses, and I know from the Holy Scriptures, which you, in your ignorance to said scriptures that you CLAIM to have read seven times, excuse me while I laugh a little, were in the temple of Solomon, which was constructed in 1057 B.C.

According to Manetho, Moses was an Egyptian and not a Hebrew, who lived at the time of Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaten (1405-1367 BC).

Well Manetho was wrong on both accounts, because Amenhotep III Ruled circa 1455–1419 B.C, while the exodus of the Shepherd Kings, who Josephus the historian identifies as the Israelites occurred in 1567, some 40 years before the fall of Jericho.

Sorry to have to prove you wrong once again, but you will persist in coming up with your ridiculous statements.