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Democratic Debate

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
I watched the first 40 minutes, but for some reason the video wouldn't play past that! They introduced themselves and had a few short skirmishes. I thought that Bernie Sanders was very smart although he was relying on canned speech a little too much and kept repeating himself and seemed nervous. He had relatively more time than some and was able to get his points across. I felt that I like many of his replies to the moderators. Hillary Clinton was poised and flowed. She outclassed her opponents who although they were accomplished and had some good track records did not stand out as gifted in her presence. She made many of them seem forgettable. The questions directed to some of the contestants revealed some of their past differences with party positions, interrogated them about flip-flops and changes of mind. One who had change from republican to independent to democrat said he had not changed his mind about issues and only had changed his party. That was impressive to me. He might win with that kind of record, because it appeals I think to moderates (like myself who am the definition of moderate of course). The fellow with the NRA past seemed uncomfortable under questioning and had several weaknesses that could easily sink him if he were selected, such as statements he had made about Affirmative Action which required more than 20 seconds of explaining and I wasn't able to follow it all. Some of the candidates had dark teeth, and while that shouldn't matter it made me wonder about their health. I also thought that Bernie looked like he hadn't gotten any sleep. Senator Webb seemed to be new to debates and kept trying to direct the conversation to points where he felt he shined while Hillary spent most of her time on defence, fielding numerous questions. I think if the presidency requires intelligence then Hillary is the clear winner of the first 40 minutes. I could not determine which of these contestants would be able to win over voters and rally the people who didn't vote last time.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
Wow, Brick, that's a mouthful. I didn't see the debate. I've seen some snippets, and read some articles. It looks like Hill won. And it might be too late for Joe. We might want to explore some "what if" scenarios against some different Repubs. Anyone game?

I just noticed the thread in NA Politics. We can continue the discussion over there, if folks prefer. But I am also glad to hear the Liberal view, over here, if folks want to do that...
 
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Noa

Active Member
I promised myself I would not watch any debates this election cycle until it was the two official nominees. So far I have kept that promise to myself.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
I promised myself I would not watch any debates this election cycle until it was the two official nominees. So far I have kept that promise to myself.
I just didn't have time to tune in. And I figured I could read the analysis that followed.

I don't think Bernie stands a chance. Who would vote for a 50 year long Socialist, turned Democrat, this year....even if he is right on many of the issues. :)
 

Noa

Active Member
My national voting is fairly simple these days. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. And we do not have the primary problems that the Republicans do so I do not feel a need to show up to primaries. So I freed myself up to not get sucked into the cycle until the summer before the actual election. Prior to that, I read bi-monthly updates on what has happened in the race and try to avoid going down the rabbit hole any further.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
My national voting is fairly simple these days. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. And we do not have the primary problems that the Republicans do so I do not feel a need to show up to primaries. So I freed myself up to not get sucked into the cycle until the summer before the actual election. Prior to that, I read bi-monthly updates on what has happened in the race and try to avoid going down the rabbit hole any further.
It's always good to participate in the discussion, if you have time. But I know sometimes I am just too busy.

I think Hill did better than usual, it will be hard for her to sustain that behavior, it is too rational for her. :)
 

Noa

Active Member
I personally think that primary discussions are actually harmful to their party often times. So I prefer a Democratic nominee to be decided quickly, easily, and sanely. And I hope Republican primaries are just as insane and hostile as they always are.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
I personally think that primary discussions are actually harmful to their party often times. So I prefer a Democratic nominee to be decided quickly, easily, and sanely. And I hope Republican primaries are just as insane and hostile as they always are.
That's not a bad strategy. I am pretty much fully aligned with Hill's policies. But something about her personality puts me off. It will be a problem for her in the election.
 
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Noa

Active Member
The fact that the Republican side is still undecided means it is far too early to really predict much. I think she will have a fight on her hands if it is Jeb. Anyone else, we have a chance. But by and large, the odds are not in our favor. It has not been common in recent decades for a party to survive two terms in power. Regardless of rationality, those in power are blamed for every bad situation. You stack that up to eight years worth and the incumbent party has quite a fight on their hands. Just one of those trends in American politics.

But honestly, the Democratic party could nominate someone I had never heard of, I disagreed with them on 90% of their policies, and I would still vote for them. I am a party voter.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
The fact that the Republican side is still undecided means it is far too early to really predict much. I think she will have a fight on her hands if it is Jeb. Anyone else, we have a chance. But by and large, the odds are not in our favor. It has not been common in recent decades for a party to survive two terms in power. Regardless of rationality, those in power are blamed for every bad situation. You stack that up to eight years worth and the incumbent party has quite a fight on their hands. Just one of those trends in American politics.

But honestly, the Democratic party could nominate someone I had never heard of, I disagreed with them on 90% of their policies, and I would still vote for them. I am a party voter.
There are some other strong Repubs: Rubio, Kasitch, you mentioned, Jeb, Christie is smart, but has no chance. Hill will have her hands full.

Gotta catch some ZZZ's, dude, good meeting you !
 

Noa

Active Member
Nice to meet you. I think Rubio is the only other somewhat realistic possibility. And I hope he gets their nomination because I think he would be much easier for Hilary to beat than Jeb.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'd like to chime in. I thought they all did very good and were much more cooperative, direct, and focused on important issues related to the success and survival of the human race than the Republican party. They answered all their issues well and made no escape about addressing what was important. Donald Trump said they were probably really well scripted and rehearsed. So what... that's what you're supposed to do. And then I turned to foxnews.com and they said the Democrats did much better than the Republicans, so I'm not biased.
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
I'm really pleased to see that there are very intelligent liberal minded folks posting over here. Let's try to build up the activity in this DIR. I really like conversing with Lib friends.

Does anyone have any thoughts about a Hill vs. Jeb contest?

I think right now Hill would lead, but if it happens, Jeb will catch up quickly. What do my Lib. friends think ?
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
I think the R. party is setting up Cruze to win. That's my conspiracy theory. Jeb will be eliminated come spring.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't think Jeb has much of a chance to get the nomination, but it's too early to tell who is likely to get it. As for Hillary, I think a lot relies whether the FBI probe on her turns up anything significant. The Republicans shot themselves in the foot on the Benghazi hearings, even though another is set for next Thursday, because a couple of top Republicans have admitted that the congressional hearings on this has been mostly for political advantage-- theirs. If they go hard on her next week, that could backfire big time.
 
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