Curiosity?

[nPeace]

Did you manage to miss the word "likely"? There is no contradiction

No, I didn't. Nor did I see anything in the article that made any assumption regarding Earth and Mars trading rock.
I heard it out of the mouth of top scientists, saying 'We know", and I am sure, I would find it on more than 100 pages from Google.
Here ... You only need to hear the first two minutes.

 

[nPeace]

Perhaps the poor wording of it is the problem?

Ah. The usual.

 

[danieldemol]

What is the point of finding out the origin of life “out there”, if you can’t take care of the life that already exists here?

Overpopulation is a big cause of life not being taken care of here, and religion is a big driver of overpopulation.

 

[nPeace]

Good questions nPeace. It always fascinates me that quality of life on Earth should come first......but it doesn’t. Imagine if all the money spent on space exploration was actually spent fixing up what’s wrong with life on this planet? No one would be short of good food, clean water, clothing or anything else.

What is the point of finding out the origin of life “out there”, if you can’t take care of the life that already exists here?

Perhaps the ulterior motive of investigating the possibilities of life elsewhere is actually to have somewhere to go once they have messed this planet up irreparably? And we all know who would get the tickets....

We have not only messed up the planet but have left a trail of dangerous space junk orbiting up there making future space travel a whole lot more dangerous.
How can we imagine ourselves to be so clever when we are so incredibly stupid?

 

[nPeace]

Overpopulation is a big cause of life not being taken care of here, and religion is a big driver of overpopulation.

How so?

 

[nPeace]

Considering the difficulty you have with comprehending the scientific method, it's understandable that you're confused. Why are scientists speculating about Earth being seeded? Because that's how the scientific method works. You begin with an observation, such as: There is life on Earth. Then you speculate about possible ways that life could have started on this planet. You begin with a hypothesis, an educated guess. That is, it has to be something within the realm of what we know could be possible. For instance we know that there are living microbes that can withstand the harsh condition of space between planets. We also know that meteorites from beyond our planet have landed on our planet's surface in the past. Thus it is a reasonable hypothesis that living microbes on a meteorite could have at some point in Earth's distant past struck the surface and life was thus 'seeded' on this planet.

What does scientists speculating about how life began on this planet have to do with curing illness or stopping crime's like bombs going off in parking lots or schools. Are you on the opinion that if we didn't spend time exploring things like Mars and the moon that we'd somehow miraculously find a way to prevent people from setting bombs?

Oh, and yes its IS possible that it could have worked the other way around and that potential life on Mars could have been seeded from life on Earth.

So how would you find out the truth unambiguously?

 

[Heyo]

Good questions nPeace. It always fascinates me that quality of life on Earth should come first......but it doesn’t. Imagine if all the money spent on space exploration was actually spent fixing up what’s wrong with life on this planet? No one would be short of good food, clean water, clothing or anything else.

You overestimate the money that is going into space exploration.
Military spending on the other hand ...
And I think that is a thing we agree upon, when we agree on little else, that much too much money goes to the military.

 

[danieldemol]

How so?

'God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth"' Genesis 1:28 NWT is classic example, but there are other religions which place great emphasis on reproduction as well.

 

[QuestioningMind]

So how would you find out the truth unambiguously?

Over time and with continued use of the scientific method. If we can collect enough verified data then it's possible that we'll eventually reach an unambiguous conclusion. There are no guarantees that such data will ever become available, but it's an absolute certainty that we'll never find it if we don't make the effort to look.

For instance the hypothesis that the Earth orbits the sun was around for quite some time before we were able to gather enough verifiable evidence to conclude with certainty that the Earth does indeed obit the sun. If no one had ever searched for evidence to verify the hypothesis then we'd most likely still believe that the sun orbits the Earth.

 

[ecco]

Imagine if all the money spent on space exploration was actually spent fixing up what’s wrong with life on this planet?

You are living with the benefits of scientific research and advancement. Would you prefer to be running around naked trying to kill antelope with a rock and then eating the raw meat?

 

[Heyo]

No, I didn't. Nor did I see anything in the article that made any assumption regarding Earth and Mars trading rock.
I heard it out of the mouth of top scientists, saying 'We know", and I am sure, I would find it on more than 100 pages from Google.
Here ... You only need to hear the first two minutes.

Yes, Earth and Mars do trade rocks but the trade deficit between Earth and Mars is even bigger than between the US and China.
The power of an impact that can accelerate a piece of rock to escape velocity is necessarily much bigger on Earth than on Mars. Therefore we expect to find more Mars on Earth than Earth on Mars, much more.

 

[McBell]

Imagine if all the money spent on space exploration was actually spent fixing up what’s wrong with life on this planet?

Which organization would you prefer to mismanage the money?

 

[ecco]

No, I didn't. Nor did I see anything in the article that made any assumption regarding Earth and Mars trading rock.
I heard it out of the mouth of top scientists, saying 'We know", and I am sure, I would find it on more than 100 pages from Google.
Here ... You only need to hear the first two minutes.

I listened to the first two minutes. What is the point you are trying to make? Do you not believe that bits of mars have landed on earth?

 

[ecco]

'God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth"' Genesis 1:28 NWT is classic example, but there are other religions which place great emphasis on reproduction as well.

Let's not forget the Catholics who prohibit the use of birth control methods by their adherents.

 

[nPeace]

'God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth"' Genesis 1:28 NWT is classic example, but there are other religions which place great emphasis on reproduction as well.

Then why blame religion and not God, for not making two women, or two men, or a man and woman with no ovaries.
You seem to exclude Atheists, and Agnostics.
Do only religious people have sexual intercourse? Or is everyone else homo?

 

[nPeace]

Over time and with continued use of the scientific method. If we can collect enough verified data then it's possible that we'll eventually reach an unambiguous conclusion. There are no guarantees that such data will ever become available, but it's an absolute certainty that we'll never find it if we don't make the effort to look.

For instance the hypothesis that the Earth orbits the sun was around for quite some time before we were able to gather enough verifiable evidence to conclude with certainty that the Earth does indeed obit the sun. If no one had ever searched for evidence to verify the hypothesis then we'd most likely still believe that the sun orbits the Earth.

You have not told me how. All you did was say if, and it doesn't show how speculation will not be the best explanation.
So how will the scientific method allow anyone to replicate where life came from?

 

[QuestioningMind]

You have not told me how. All you did was say if, and it doesn't show how speculation will not be the best explanation.
So how will the scientific method allow anyone to replicate where life came from?

The scientific method is HOW... but only IF we eventually gather sufficient data. And no one claims that science will ever be able to 'replicate' how life developed on Earth. Just like no one had to 'replicate' the Earth orbiting the sun in order to determine that it does.

 

[Deeje]

Hmm. How far we have come? Do you mean in adult toys?
Perhaps we are venturing in the wrong direction.

Obviously gotta get your priorities right......

 

[nPeace]

Yes, Earth and Mars do trade rocks but the trade deficit between Earth and Mars is even bigger than between the US and China.
The power of an impact that can accelerate a piece of rock to escape velocity is necessarily much bigger on Earth than on Mars. Therefore we expect to find more Mars on Earth than Earth on Mars, much more.

Does it matter? Besides that's anyone's wild guess, since you have to start with the presumption that Mars took the same number of hits than earth, or more, rather than earth being struck numerous more times than Mars.
It's all guesswork. Speculation. So how does that benefit anyone, is what's caused this ignorant cat to lose one life.

 

[nPeace]

The scientific method is HOW... but only IF we eventually gather sufficient data. And no one claims that science will ever be able to 'replicate' how life developed on Earth. Just like no one had to 'replicate' the Earth orbiting the sun in order to determine that it does.

I always marvel at how you guys like to use phenomenon that can be observed, and use them to claim that things that can never be observed are verified unambiguously.