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Covid, Politics, and Health - What is your viewpoint?
- Thread starter Kenny
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I'm not sure it is the same thing. Let me try to explain...
You can wear seat belts and go to a store.
You can go to a restaurant and have a drink or wine.
But with Covid... you can't open your store, you couldn't go to a restaurant, you weren't allowed to go to work. You lost your business, your home and your future.
Seat belts don't do that.
I think there is a substantial difference.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
How about we keep this on topic?
Or do you not want to think about all the ways not following covid regulations has a detrimental impact on other people? Or is not comfortable to have a global scene point out how utterly terribly America's covid response has been?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Natural disasters tend to do that.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The forum made its own new rules on Covid discussion and debate, so I'm not going to relate further into the specifics on what, and what not is effective on the the control or spread of Covid.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
So, in other words, science and facts don't support your beliefs. Several countries blow your "human nature" position out of the water, your position can't go forth without violating the rights of others and causing direct harm to them, and it would only serve to make America worse than it already is. How is that so hard to see? Countries that did what they should, they did not struggle and suffer like us. Countries that said oh well, like Brazil or Italy, they suffered along with American.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ear plugs will probably be made illegal when the boom box lobby buys new politicians.
Damm... forget it. The wind lobby got to it first.
Look.
Earplugs Helpful, But Illegal For Ohio Motorcyclists
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm only convinced something works when the problem is actually solved.
are you some kind of wannabee super spreader??
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New York got hit hardest early in the pandemic. A lot of the hard lessons on how to maximize the survival likelihood of COVID-19 patients were learned in New York. That's why the death rate there was so high.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I follow guidelines personally at present.
However there is a limit based on weither something actually works or not as I'm a bottom line person.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Then take a look around. China, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia, the list goes on with nations that have a public who complied with covid restrictions and guidelines and have had far fewer deaths and chronic illnesses and their systems haven't been strained. Not here, where many have ignored warnings and went on to flood our hospitals.
America has been so anti-science about this that people here, as they lie in a hospital bed dying of covid, will deny it. They have believed they have emphysema or cancer before covid. People go on about "my rights and liberties," but this means other people aren't getting the treatment they need. It means the police actually had a very deadly year in 2020 because of covid. Over a half a million needless deaths later, there is no arguing selfishness has prevailed over any sense of care for community or duty for country in America. Sure, some are careful, some are caring, but they seem to be the few. The many go to choir practice and gym courses and church and get sick. They all go party, and nurses, physician's assistants, doctors, and many more in the medical field pay the price. They keep gathering, and California has to suspend pollution laws so crematories can keep up with business demands.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No that's not entirely why.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo under investigation for nursing home deaths
There's the splendid leadership by our esteemed people's chairman of the empire state.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
None have solved anything, much less trusting Communist China to tell the truth.
I said bottom line.
That means when all restrictions have been lifted and masks eliminated.
Let me know when that happens first.
We’re also rolling out vaccines
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Almost?
yes on average less than one new case/day for the entire country, I think that classifies as almost
So much ****ing ignorance and anti-community, anti-science BS in this thread.
**** people's freedoms. And I say that having defended our Constitution for 10 ****ing years.
Freedoms come with responsibility to Act, and no one is Acting responsibly in a manner that is conducive to stopping a pandemic.
Americans are selfish and ignorant period.
**** people's freedoms. And I say that having defended our Constitution for 10 ****ing years.
Freedoms come with responsibility to Act, and no one is Acting responsibly in a manner that is conducive to stopping a pandemic.
Americans are selfish and ignorant period.
Outside of the initial lockdown, most stores remained open and especially for delivery. Restaurants were open for take out, delivery and sometimes for outdoor dining. Many many people worked from home. Business losses have not be universal. The future is hardly lost.
But with 500,000 dead, uncounted number temporarily or permanently disabled by COVID, hospitals overwhelmed or close to overwhelmed, temporary disruptions were necessary as is government action to extend unemployment, offer support for businesses and so forth.
The COVID induced recession will end with hundreds of thousands of lives saved by the measures taken. The cost to me is absolutely worth the lives saved.