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Covid, Politics, and Health - What is your viewpoint?

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
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Covid Deaths

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Infections

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I find it interesting that we have two approaches to Covid...

Lock down, closing of businesses, mandatory masks, (A democratic party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

vs

Minimum lock downs, keeping businesses open, personal decision on masks, (A republican party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

One would think that lock downs, closing of businesses and mandatory masks would produce better results yet the figures are apparently saying something different:

You would think that California and New York deaths would be less than that of Texas and Florida for all the precautions and yet California and New York (NY has the least in population) both have the greatest in deaths.

Infections amounts apparently run concurrent with population regardless of protections or no protections,.

What is your view as to why the precautions of NY and California have no advantage over minimum protections?

U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista
U.S. COVID-19 cases by state | Statista
US States - Ranked by Population 2021
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
You should not use raw statistics of areas with climate and population, population density, healthcare system and access. You should refer yourself to studies on the efficacy of such methods produced by medical journals specialised in epidemiology. Your analysis is worthless due to its poor methodology, lack of good data and rational framework.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Per Capita deaths are higher in Texas than California, and much higher in states like North Dakota, California and NY tested a lot more than Florida or Texas, quite simple unless you're blinded by some agenda!
 
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Suave

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Covid Deaths

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I find it interesting that we have two approaches to Covid...

Lock down, closing of businesses, mandatory masks, (A democratic party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

vs

Minimum lock downs, keeping businesses open, personal decision on masks, (A republican party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

One would think that lock downs, closing of businesses and mandatory masks would produce better results yet the figures are apparently saying something different:

You would think that California and New York deaths would be less than that of Texas and Florida for all the precautions and yet California and New York (NY has the least in population) both have the greatest in deaths.

Infections amounts apparently run concurrent with population regardless of protections or no protections,.

What is your view as to why the precautions of NY and California have no advantage over minimum protections?

U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista
U.S. COVID-19 cases by state | Statista
US States - Ranked by Population 2021

California has a lower C.O.V.I.D.-19 death rate on a per capital basis than the C.O.V.I.D.-19 per capita death rate of Texas or Florida. New York does have a higher C.O.V.I.D-19 death rate on a per capita basis than does California, Florida or Texas, I believe this is due primarily to Governor Andrew Cuomo having sent thousands of C.O.V.I.D infected patients from hospitals into nursing homes where they infected and killed their fellow nursing home residents by C.O.V.I.D.-19 ; whereas, the governors of California. Florida, and Texas did a better job with protecting their most vulnerable citizens in nursing homes from getting infected and killed by C.O.V.I.D.-19.

REPORT: Early In Pandemic, Over 9,000 COVID-19 Patients Sent Into New York Nursing Homes

Rice University study finds states that imposed strict lock-downs early had fewer deaths later in COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/media/files/files/fba2e32c/bi-report-121620-chb-covid19.pdf
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Why not look at all states not just the two? And why not compare the really open states such as Florida.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
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I find it interesting that we have two approaches to Covid...

Lock down, closing of businesses, mandatory masks, (A democratic party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

vs

Minimum lock downs, keeping businesses open, personal decision on masks, (A republican party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

One would think that lock downs, closing of businesses and mandatory masks would produce better results yet the figures are apparently saying something different:

You would think that California and New York deaths would be less than that of Texas and Florida for all the precautions and yet California and New York (NY has the least in population) both have the greatest in deaths.

Infections amounts apparently run concurrent with population regardless of protections or no protections,.

What is your view as to why the precautions of NY and California have no advantage over minimum protections?

U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista
U.S. COVID-19 cases by state | Statista
US States - Ranked by Population 2021

I live in New Zealand where we have 26 COVID-19 deaths so far for a population of over 5 million. The USA has had over 500,000 million deaths. Our success is we followed the science and remained relatively united as a country in following guidelines that were pragmatic. Despite occasional lockdowns our economy is doing well and our unemployment rate remains relatively low. Put the health and wellbeing of the community first and that builds trust and confidence in government. We never politicized COVID-19 or pushed anti-science agendas.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
What a wonderfully entertaining way of further politicizing any reasonable grounds to do something about a pandemic destroying the American people alone by more than a thousand dead each day.

Got to love how folks cherish reality these days. It's finally been reduced to its sentimental values alone, then most likely reduced and discounted for quick sales and rising market shares by the popular media outlets.

Get your ego boost from that, friends. Inflate yourself however you prefer. It's all 'reality' is worth these days to anyone who is not making money off selling their version of it.

Thanks, Ken. I wonder if you still think you're justified because 'the other side would do it if they could'.

Expect any grand kids to live as free as you?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I live in New Zealand where we have 26 COVID-19 deaths so far for a population of over 5 million. The USA has had over 500,000 million deaths. Our success is we followed the science and remained relatively united as a country in following guidelines that were pragmatic. Despite occasional lockdowns our economy is doing well and our unemployment rate remains relatively low. Put the health and wellbeing of the community first and that builds trust and confidence in government. We never politicized COVID-19 or pushed anti-science agendas.
Australia has had 900 deaths and a very large amount of recovered cases. I think it’s in the thousands.
Sure we grumbled about lockdowns and went stir crazy. And I think Victoria and New South Wales are constantly having to revisit lockdowns. But hey, at least we didn’t kill more of our population than WWII. (Seriously, that’s the US death toll right now. Wtf?)
I feel like we should shout all the hospital staff a few rounds after this is all over.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You should not use raw statistics of areas with climate and population, population density, healthcare system and access. You should refer yourself to studies on the efficacy of such methods produced by medical journals specialised in epidemiology. Your analysis is worthless due to its poor methodology, lack of good data and rational framework.
Looking at numbers and methods... not sure why that is poor methodology.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Looking at numbers and methods... not sure why that is poor methodology.

Because there is no variable control and you are comparing apples to oranges. There is so much key data missing too like testing rates for example.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Per Capita deaths are higher in Texas than California, and much higher in states like North Dakota, California and NY tested a lot more than Florida or Texas, quite simple unless you're blinded by some agenda!

not sure how you come to those conclusions with no supportive documentation.

death per capita - in order
New York - .0024
Texas - .0015
Florida - .0014
California - .0012

Interesting... You would think there would be a different order.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
California has a lower C.O.V.I.D.-19 death rate on a per capital basis than the C.O.V.I.D.-19 per capita death rate of Texas or Florida. New York does have a higher C.O.V.I.D-19 death rate on a per capita basis than does California, Florida or Texas, I believe this is due primarily to Governor Andrew Cuomo having sent thousands of C.O.V.I.D infected patients from hospitals into nursing homes where they infected and killed their fellow nursing home residents by C.O.V.I.D.-19 ; whereas, the governors of California. Florida, and Texas did a better job with protecting their most vulnerable citizens in nursing homes from getting infected and killed by C.O.V.I.D.-19.

REPORT: Early In Pandemic, Over 9,000 COVID-19 Patients Sent Into New York Nursing Homes

Rice University study finds states that imposed strict lock-downs early had fewer deaths later in COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/media/files/files/fba2e32c/bi-report-121620-chb-covid19.pdf
Yes... I noticed how California was less than Texas and Florida... with Texas being .0003% more than California and Florida at .0002% more than California.

Do you think that with closing of businesses and mandatory masks the difference should have been more?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why not look at all states not just the two? And why not compare the really open states such as Florida.
I did compare with Florida.

Not all states because I opted for the 4 most populated States. By coincidence two were democrat and two republican, two closed and two open.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What a wonderfully entertaining way of further politicizing any reasonable grounds to do something about a pandemic destroying the American people alone by more than a thousand dead each day.

Got to love how folks cherish reality these days. It's finally been reduced to its sentimental values alone, then most likely reduced and discounted for quick sales and rising market shares by the popular media outlets.

Get your ego boost from that, friends. Inflate yourself however you prefer. It's all 'reality' is worth these days to anyone who is not making money off selling their version of it.

Thanks, Ken. I wonder if you still think you're justified because 'the other side would do it if they could'.

Expect any grand kids to live as free as you?
This is a discussion... I think your post is very divisive.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Speaking of Texas: It looks like comparing TX to CA just illustrates how both states took a similar approach:

Gov. Greg Abbott plans to relax business restrictions soon if COVID-19 numbers continue to drop from record highs

"Notwithstanding its much stricter regulations, California saw a bigger increase in new infections during December and January, when the seven-day average tripled. In Texas during the same period, the average doubled. Nationwide in the United States, the average rose 50 percent. In the U.K., it quadrupled."

Despite Starkly Different COVID-19 Policies, the U.S. and the U.K. Saw Similar Drops in Cases Around the Same Time

Just makes me wonder why the difference if California is stricter. Could there be a factor that we haven't figured out yet?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
not sure how you come to those conclusions with no supportive documentation.

death per capita - in order
New York - .0024
Texas - .0015
Florida - .0014
California - .0012

Interesting... You would think there would be a different order.
Yeah California has the best stats just like I said
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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Covid Deaths

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Infections

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I find it interesting that we have two approaches to Covid...

Lock down, closing of businesses, mandatory masks, (A democratic party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

vs

Minimum lock downs, keeping businesses open, personal decision on masks, (A republican party viewpoint if I am not mistaken)

One would think that lock downs, closing of businesses and mandatory masks would produce better results yet the figures are apparently saying something different:

You would think that California and New York deaths would be less than that of Texas and Florida for all the precautions and yet California and New York (NY has the least in population) both have the greatest in deaths.

Infections amounts apparently run concurrent with population regardless of protections or no protections,.

What is your view as to why the precautions of NY and California have no advantage over minimum protections?

U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista
U.S. COVID-19 cases by state | Statista
US States - Ranked by Population 2021
I think we are better now than before overall, but I feel Covid has been so weaponized and politicized, its making me think the masking and restrictions are actually being planned to be permanent and indefinite.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
"Notwithstanding its much stricter regulations, California saw a bigger increase in new infections during December and January, when the seven-day average tripled. In Texas during the same period, the average doubled. Nationwide in the United States, the average rose 50 percent. In the U.K., it quadrupled."

Despite Starkly Different COVID-19 Policies, the U.S. and the U.K. Saw Similar Drops in Cases Around the Same Time

Just makes me wonder why the difference if California is stricter. Could there be a factor that we haven't figured out yet?
you just flunked statistics, testing numbers has to do with how many people are tested, california tested the most
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I think we are better now than before overall, but I feel Covid has been so weaponized and politicized, its making me think the masking and restrictions are actually being planned to be permanent and indefinite.
people who won't wear masks to protect themselves and their fellow citizens are wimps, homicidal/suicidal wimps
 
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