Coronavirus: What would have happened if there had been a world government?

[IndigoChild5559]

I'm a firm believer that the larger the group, the more dysfunctional its governing body, in general. A worldwide government would have been too bogged down in bureaucracy to have handled the virus efficiently.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, that is probably what many people want to believe and for many that is the goal. However, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” and “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” – John Dalberg-Acton.

I do not believe that necessarily has to be the case. That is the way the world has been in the past and how it is now, but I believe in the future there will be a new race of men who are righteous and thus they will care about the good of the whole rather than power over others.

“With the establishment of the Most Great Peace and the spiritualization of the peoples of the world, man will become a noble being adorned with divine virtues and perfections. This is one of the fruits of the Revelation of Bahá’u’lláh, promised by Him. The nobility of man and his spiritual development will lead him in the future to such a position that no individual could enjoy eating his food or resting at home while knowing that there was one person somewhere in the world without food or shelter. It is Bahá’u’lláh’s mission to create such a new race of men.” (Adib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Bahá’u’lláh v 3, p. 126)

New Race of Men

 

[Trailblazer]

A worldwide government would have been too bogged down in bureaucracy to have handled the virus efficiently.

Not necessarily. It would depend upon how that government was set up.

 

[Trailblazer]

The reason I say this is because most of the people that reject God want some tangible proof that God exists. But instead, all we have is different religions saying different things about God. The big one being that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If that's true, all other religions are wrong. But, if that's wrong, then all trinity believing Christians are wrong. So I think a lot of people give up and throw out all religious beliefs because of who they say God is. And instead, turn to the Gods of this world, making money, having fun, which includes getting laid and drinking a little or a lot, smoking two joints in the morning and two more later on, watching TV and all the rest of the things people do, in place of becoming more spiritual.

You are very observant CG.

I assume you are referring to agnostics and atheists and you are right about that, in order to believe God exists they want something more tangible than religions that disagree. So they give up and turn to the material world....

What is the solution to this? Well, you know what I think it is.
How that will come about is another story.

 

[CG Didymus]

I'm a firm believer that the larger the group, the more dysfunctional its governing body, in general. A worldwide government would have been too bogged down in bureaucracy to have handled the virus efficiently.

Supposedly, God had his chosen people on Earth and established his laws. Later God gave his people a King. I don't remember anything ever being said that any of the other religions in the world at that time were true. All those other people worshiped false-gods, as far as I know.

Christians then came along and established their governing body and elected a leader and called him the Pope. Then whatever Islam did. I know they had their leaders and Sharia law. Now we have the Baha'is that say that their laws and governing body is from God. Did any of these work? Judging from what has happened in the past, I can't have all that much confidence in the Baha'i leadership ruling the world and much less if the Baha'is only rule their own people and allow a secular religion to rule the whole world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Judging from what has happened in the past, I can't have all that much confidence in the Baha'i leadership ruling the world

The Baha'is have no plans to rule the world.

It is my understanding the the religion and government will always be separate but you might want to verify that with one of the other Baha'is on this forum.

 

[Trailblazer]

And that's the same reasoning they use against The Bab and Baha'u'llah. They don't care what proofs you think you have, the "fact", for them is... Their is no need for The Bab, a manifestation returning just before the return of Christ. They believe in the "man of sin", "anti-Christ" and the "Two Witnesses" coming before the return, but then it is, as you know, Jesus, the living savior, that returns. He does away with all the evil people right then and establishes his kingdom and chain up Satan and throws him into a pit for a thousand years. If Baha'is can show Christians how that already happened, then maybe you'd have a better chance. But you don't. Baha'is might think they explain it, but they don't. Not like these Christians believe it will happen. So they write The Bab and Baha'u'llah off as frauds.

The reason Christians write the Bab and Baha’u’llah as frauds is not because the Baha’is cannot SHOW anything to them. The reason is because they are waiting for the same Jesus to return, so as long as they believe that He is going to return, it is curtains for the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

Christians would have to understand and accept that Jesus never promised to return and relinquish that belief before they would ever believe in the Baha’i Faith.

The main problems... Baha'is say Jesus died and stayed dead. Christians say that God raised him from the dead. Baha'is say there is no Satan. Christians believe that people can't do enough good to pay for their sins, therefore Jesus died to pay the penalty for them. If a religion says that people don't need Jesus and can do good to get right with God, those religions are wrong. So by Christian logic, Baha'u'llah can't be "The Christ", therefore... he's a fraud. No matter how good a life he led or how wonderful things he wrote.

Correction: Baha'u'llah is not Jesus Christ, therefore... he's a fraud according to Christians.

But the Baha’i Faith does not say we did not need Jesus. We needed Jesus because He was part of the progressive revelation from God to man, but we do not need Jesus NOW because we got what we needed from Him. Jesus accomplished His mission on earth, and now His Dispensation has been superseded by the Dispensation of Baha’u’llah.

This was all coming to me as I was writing... kind of like inspiration. Gee, I wonder if I'm a prophet? No, logically no. I'm too worldly. And to prove it I'm going to go play an AC/DC song on my guitar and crank up the amp to 11. That should wake up my Christian neighbors.

And I am going to continue listening to K-Love Christian radio, until my husband comes in the living room and turns on the TV to get updates on the pandemic. I love Christianity, I truly do, if you remove the doctrines of the Church.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not necessarily. It would depend upon how that government was set up.

That's a factor, sure. But no matter how well it is set up, a larger country will have a larger bureaucracy.

 

[Trailblazer]

To me that is the issue with how things work in general, the economy is something that can crash and ruin peoples lives. It can and does cause a lot of suffering, due to the way it works. But the system or meaning of economy, in my opinion, should be one that talk about fair distribution of wealth and making sure that ALL people have access to the same high standard as anyone else. And when I say wealth, I don't talk about money as we know them, that can cause people to go bankrupt and not having enough for healthcare or a place to live etc.

The fair distribution of wealth and making sure that ALL people have their essential needs met is a basic Baha’i principle. I do not usually think and talk about the economic program Bahaullah set forth because I do not have a reason to be thinking about it, but since this pandemic happened I am thinking a lot more about social and political systems and how they are inadequate to meet the needs of humanity.

You might like this article: Signs of the Maturity of the World

So it should be a system that would never be able to crash, but rather it could face crisis once in a while, but nothing that would be devastating for anyone. There are more than enough resources on Earth for everyone to live in very high luxury compared to now. But it requires that the way we do things change, so rather than a use and throw away economy, things are made to last.

I like your ideas. You always have good ideas Nimos. Yes, it could be the cause that nobody could ever be devastated but it requires the way we presently do things to change.

The way I could imagine it could work, or at least as an initial thought. Would be to split the economy into two. So you have a basic economy, which is a certain amount of credits that each person gets every month and which can only be used for certain items, like most types of food, clothing etc. Every person would get a place to live based on a fixed standard, so if you are single you get an apartment with 2 rooms, a kitchen and bathroom. If you are a family you get something slightly bigger, which suits such needs. These places to live are completely free, so you don't have to pay rent etc.

At this point it sounds very much like some sort of extreme misunderstood socialism

But on top of this you have another economy, which we can call working credits, which are what you earn from working, and allows you to buy "luxury" items, like bigger houses, cars, luxury electronics, investing, or use them for drinking or tobacco. So basically anything you would consider nonessential items as we know it today.

So at least, the idea is that making a system like this, means that people will never be thrown on the street or loose everything they own, they might loose some of their luxury items, if they really screw up, but nothing more.

But since the "basic" credits are given to people each month and can't be traded between people or used for anything other than what is considered essential living things, its not really affected by anything and therefore the system should not really be able to crash.

At least to me a system, sort of like that seems to solve most of the issues we are facing today.

I agree that everyone should have their basic needs met, but wouldn't that be the case if everyone was working for a living? I like that you added the second part because that would provide an incentive for working hard and I am all for that because the importance of work is a basic Baha’i principle. What do you think of this, do you think it s too harsh?

“With reference to Bahá’u’lláh's command concerning the engagement of the believers in some sort of profession: the Teachings are most emphatic on this matter, particularly the statement in the Aqdas to this effect which makes it quite clear that idle people who lack the desire to work can have no place in the new World Order. As a corollary of this principle, Bahá’u’lláh further states that mendicity should not only be discouraged but entirely wiped out from the face of society. It is the duty of those who are in charge of the organization of society to give every individual the opportunity of acquiring the necessary talent in some kind of profession, and also the means of utilizing such a talent, both for its own sake and for the sake of earning the means of his livelihood. Every individual, no matter how handicapped and limited he may be, is under the obligation of engaging in some work or profession, for work, specially when performed in the spirit of service, is according to Bahá’u’lláh a form of worship. It has not only a utilitarian purpose, but has a value in itself, because it draws us nearer to God, and enables us to better grasp His purpose for us in this world. It is obvious, therefore, that the inheritance of wealth cannot make anyone immune from daily work.”

(Shoghi Effendi, Principles of Bahá’í Administration, p. 12-13)

Because lets be honest, we are going to have to change the system at some point or another, it is not a sustainable way it is done now. Not for the environment and not even for ourselves, especially when robotics and automations really kicks in, and people have little to no purchasing power, then the economy is going to crash big time, as it solely depends on people consuming as much as possible, to keep things running. But robots don't buy a lot of things obviously, and humans can't compete with them. So things have to change at some point or another.

I think people all over the world are starting to realize that things need to change, that the political and economic systems we have in place have to be revamped or replaced altogether. Baha’is have known that things have to change ever since Baha’u’llah came, and that was a very long time ago. This was written by Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Baha’i Faith, first published in 1938.

“The passionate and violent happenings that have, in recent years, strained to almost the point of complete breakdown the political and economic structure of society are too numerous and complex to attempt, within the limitations of this general survey, to arrive at an adequate estimate of their character. Nor have these tribulations, grievous as they have been, seemed to have reached their climax, and exerted the full force of their destructive power. The whole world, wherever and however we survey it, offers us the sad and pitiful spectacle of a vast, an enfeebled, and moribund organism, which is being torn politically and strangulated economically by forces it has ceased to either control or comprehend. The Great Depression, the aftermath of the severest ordeals humanity had ever experienced, the disintegration of the Versailles system, the recrudescence of militarism in its most menacing aspects, the failure of vast experiments and new-born institutions to safeguard the peace and tranquillity of peoples, classes and nations, have bitterly disillusioned humanity and prostrated its spirits. Its hopes are, for the most part, shattered, its vitality is ebbing, its life strangely disordered, its unity severely compromised.” The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 188

Only more recently has it become more obvious because of crises in the world with climate change and now this pandemic. I guess this is what it takes to get people’s attention

I haven't seen a lot my self, I personally think Trump is a loose cannon, and a very bad president for the US in general. Sort of like he is living in another world, so I hope for the US people, that you choose a democrat at the next election, and hopefully get pass the wrong understanding and fear of socialism, that seem to make a lot of people cringe in fear, whenever that word is mentioned.

I do not have a problem with a mixture of socialism and capitalism, as you delineated it above. Pure capitalism is too materialistic for my tastes, but pure socialism does not provide enough incentive for people to work hard.

What a lot of people are not aware of, is that capitalism were introduced through revolution, because of the promise of more equal rights and living standards for people. Which were done by killing and getting rid of the aristocrats. Which now, under capitalism have simply changed into corporations and people which have gotten rich through that. Socialism was introduced to solve the issue of capitalism, not being able to deliver equality to people as it promised. But unfortunately, the capitalists managed to ruin and throw socialism into the dirt as something bad, as they successfully managed to link it to what was seen in USSR and china etc. Which have nothing to do with "true" socialism, but rather that was state capitalism.

Thanks for explaining that, I was unaware of the history of capitalism and socialism, but I have been thinking of these things a lot more lately, a lot more than God and religion, which has essentially faded into the background. I do not understand how people can be thinking about God and religion when the whole world is going through this C19 crisis, but that’s just me. The Baha’is in my community are continuing with business as usual, holding their religious activities and prayer meetings online but that seems strange to me, and it has an air of detachment from the reality if what is transpiring in the world. Then again, I have always had an atheist bent.

So its sad to see so many having a go at socialism, not really knowing what or why people back in the days wanted it to begin with, it had no evil intentions, it was to solve the same issue that capitalism said it could, but which it failed at miserably.

I agree that capitalism has failed miserably, even though I have greatly benefited from it, because it does not serve the needs of everyone. So there has to be a more equitable economic system. I am not sure exactly what the Baha’i Faith envisions except that there would be nobody wanting, no people who are poor, and there would be a minimum standard of living.

Well they screw up as well, but I think that is to be expected. But for the most part, my impression is that people are behind them and think they are doing the right thing.

I wish I could say that about the U.S. government but as you know it has been a fiasco since this whole pandemic started, and even before that. I do not know if the next president will be able to clean up the mess, or even who he will be. There is so much that is up in the air right now. I feel like I am in limbo, but for once I am not alone in this. I do not mind actually because I live one day at a time even under ordinary circumstances, but now I have been forced to. The problem with that is that when things finally settle down everything that was put on hold will come crashing down.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's a factor, sure. But no matter how well it is set up, a larger country will have a larger bureaucracy.

Not necessarily, but maybe I am not understanding what you mean.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not necessarily, but maybe I am not understanding what you mean.

Let's say I'm a teacher of a class of 20. I have to design lesson plans which accommodate special need students and English language learners. While teaching, I have to individualize instruction as much as possible to multiple modalities, and individual feedback. Finally, I have to assess each student. Prep work and assessment may include production of multiple levels of visual aids and handouts and grading of papers.

If I have a class of 30 students, my work increases by almost 50%. There will be more students with special needs, and students who need accommodation. While teaching, I will endure much more stress, as I am monitoring 50% more students for feedback. My assessment is more likely to have to accommodate for different levels of learning, or English proficiency. And I will have to grade 50% more papers or tests for assessment.

In all of that, I am more likely to get stressed for lack of time, fatigue, and conflict of responsibilities (such as faculty meetings, discipline issues, etc.). The net result is that the quality of my teaching is going to suffer. The individual child is less likely to get the individualized instruction in the class of 30 that they would have gotten in the class of 20. Assessment is more likely to be rushed through. You get the point. All this should be more than obvious.

IOW the larger classroom suffers from the fact that it is simply larger, despite the fact that it has the same qualified teacher.

Apply what is obvious in the classroom to governments, and it becomes obvious that a smaller nation will do better than a one world government.

 

[Trailblazer]

IOW the larger classroom suffers from the fact that it is simply larger, despite the fact that it has the same qualified teacher.

Apply what is obvious in the classroom to governments, and it becomes obvious that a smaller nation will do better than a one world government.

As Baha'u'llah envisioned it, it will not be an either/or scenario. National governments will continue to rule their own nations but will be overseen by the world government.

“Some form of a world super-state must needs be evolved, in whose favor all the nations of the world will have willingly ceded every claim to make war, certain rights to impose taxation and all rights to maintain armaments, except for purposes of maintaining internal order within their respective dominions. Such a state will have to include within its orbit an international executive adequate to enforce supreme and unchallengeable authority on every recalcitrant member of the commonwealth; a world parliament whose members shall be elected by the people in their respective countries and whose election shall be confirmed by their respective governments; and a supreme tribunal whose judgment will have a binding effect even in such cases where the parties concerned did not voluntarily agree to submit their case to its consideration.” The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 40-41

“A word of warning should, however, be uttered in this connection. The love of one’s country, instilled and stressed by the teaching of Islám, as “an element of the Faith of God,” has not, through this declaration, this clarion-call of Bahá’u’lláh, been either condemned or disparaged. It should not, indeed it cannot, be construed as a repudiation, or regarded in the light of a censure, pronounced against a sane and intelligent patriotism, nor does it seek to undermine the allegiance and loyalty of any individual to his country, nor does it conflict with the legitimate aspirations, rights, and duties of any individual state or nation. All it does imply and proclaim is the insufficiency of patriotism, in view of the fundamental changes effected in the economic life of society and the interdependence of the nations, and as the consequence of the contraction of the world, through the revolution in the means of transportation and communication—conditions that did not and could not exist either in the days of Jesus Christ or of Muḥammad. It calls for a wider loyalty, which should not, and indeed does not, conflict with lesser loyalties.” The Promised Day Is Come, p. 122

 

[IndigoChild5559]

As Baha'u'llah envisioned it, it will not be an either/or scenario. National governments will continue to rule their own nations but will be overseen by the world government.

You are still adding a whole extra layer of bureaucracy that wasn't there before.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are still adding a whole extra layer of bureaucracy that wasn't there before.

Maybe, but if it is for the good of the whole world, then.......

 

[danieldemol]

You are still adding a whole extra layer of bureaucracy that wasn't there before.

Good governments avoid bureaucracy by delegating tasks to the appropriate level of government. Eg federal governments don’t need to run schools, that is delegated to the states etc.

In this manner governments are kept minimalist and only deal with tasks appropriate for their level.

Having a world federation would only require sufficient beuracracy to keep nations from going to war with each other, and that as I see it is a good thing.

That being said a lot of work has to be done at the grassroots level to pave the way for a free world parliament as I see it as per my earlier comments in this thread.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I assume you are referring to agnostics and atheists and you are right about that, in order to believe God exists they want something more tangible than religions that disagree. So they give up and turn to the material world....

Excuse me for butting in, but I'm not sure we (not speaking for all of course) actually want some proof that God or anything such exists but that what we experience just doesn't point in that direction - certainly not coming via all the various religious beliefs that we have created. And we hardly give up - we just get on with life as all others do but without the encumbrance of religious beliefs. The material world exists for all of us. Not notice?

 

[Nimos]

I agree that everyone should have their basic needs met, but wouldn't that be the case if everyone was working for a living? I like that you added the second part because that would provide an incentive for working hard and I am all for that because the importance of work is a basic Baha’i principle. What do you think of this, do you think it s too harsh?

I can understand this concern with having an incentive to work. And obviously if everyone had jobs it would help. But to me this is also where the issues are actually caused. This might be a rather long explanation, but will try to keep it short.

But try to look at this image from a cambodian factory:

Thailand factory

This give them a lot of very needed jobs, but lets be honest, I don't think anyone expect these workers to make a lot of money or even work under very good conditions.

This is from a modern car manufacture:

A factory like this, producing cars, would need to have had thousands of workers to do these things. (I can see one person in this image)

So if we put it into perspective, Imagine all the people in the first images, being replaced with robots, which is going to happen at some point or another. These will then have two options as I see it, either they head for the next factory trying to get a job, most likely having to work for even lower wages as more and more people are looking for jobs, or they will have to move to other parts of whatever country they live in. But regardless of where they move, they will not be able to compete with a machine or robot, that never complain, never need a break or vacation. And can work faster than they can, make far less mistakes and can work night and days if needed. No human can do that, the only competitional power such person have, is to demand less for their work. Which we know is going to be exploited and causing them to be treated bad.

To me that is why its crucial that things are changed. And I think the issue is mostly in what we are custom to do. You take an education (if we can afford it) then you get a job and work for the next 50-60 years. Because this is how things are done.

But what I think must be done, is to look at this in a completely different way, so people need to be constantly educating themselves, in a society where you are partly in the field, doing work, much like you do it today. But the rest of the time is spend in universities like buildings or knowledge/research centers, where ideas and problem solving are the main goal. With an idea of expanding our knowledge within various fields, such as robotics, how to improve societies, both locally and globally and to find solutions to the real problems we have. Not with the purpose of increasing profit, but to find and optimize solutions and apply that to the industry.

So basically, as I imagine it, its like asking, why a child cares to go to school... but merely for adults. Everyone is required to be part of this constant search for knowledge, mixing between "real" work in the field and finding solutions.

People would be paid just like they are today, so everyone would have a job, and would not rely on a specific business for their income, that might crash, move to another location, treating their employees poorly, because they need to make profit and so forth. It would give security for everyone and everyone would be equally invested in whatever solution we are able to come up with, as it benefits everyone.

Don't get me wrong, Im well aware that it might sound a bit futuristic, but I really think that something has to be done, because I really can't see how we are going to maintain things in the future if nothing is done.

And I think people that say (which is very common), that new jobs will simply be created, so that there won't be an issue, is greatly mistaken, but also completely misunderstanding some of the purposes of why things need to change.

First of all, due to the environment, we can't simply keep producing and throwing things away.

Secondly, computers and robots are soon so complicated that we are not simply talking about factory jobs being lost. But pretty much within all areas of work.

Not everyone which is going to loose their jobs are qualified to work in fields which requires a high level of technical knowledge, yet we have to put them somewhere to work or pay welfare.

So basically my idea is that people never really stop going to school, they simply continue in another educational direction (Research centers), when they are done with university.

Also I think this crisis, is a good example of what really matter in the end for people, regardless of how much money they have. Having the ability and solutions to solve these issues are the only important thing, when it comes down to it. No amount of money is going to save anyone, if there ain't a cure. No amount of money is going to bring back anyone from the dead.

I do not have a problem with a mixture of socialism and capitalism, as you delineated it above. Pure capitalism is too materialistic for my tastes, but pure socialism does not provide enough incentive for people to work hard.

That is because you misunderstand what socialism is.

Socialism in short simply means that you as an employee is invested in whatever company you are working in, so if that company is doing bad, so will you, but if it does good you will as well.

The way it works today in a lot of companies, explained simply. Is that you as an employee gets hired by the company to do a job. Now the company does very well, and make a ton of money. If you are lucky you get a bonus. But the majority of money goes to the CEOs and the investors. All the decisions about how and what should be done in the company is done by them as well, without you having anything to say about it. So those people are "milking" your hardwork and success of the company, which in huge parts is due to what all those people that "actually" work there, have done. All the knowledge they bring to the company etc.

Yet the majority of employees do not benefit from their own success, this is what socialism is talking about. That employees of a company, have a say in what that company should do and also benefit from their own success.

So it have nothing to do with the government taking over things and controlling everything, that is where the misunderstanding of socialism comes in. What that is, is "State capitalism" and what was done in Soviet union. they simply replaced the capitalists and those in charge of the industry, with government officials and then Stalin proclaimed that they had socialism, which it weren't, but he had no other choice, this whole fight and lots of people had died, making it possible. So for him to go out and proclaim that now they had achieved "State capitalism" would have been devastating for him. Because he wouldn't have achieved anything.

But obviously it made it very easy for the rest of the western world, especially US, to look at Soviet union and point fingers at it, and say that "look socialism is bad, look how badly the russians have it". Which obviously make people fear socialism/communism and turn to capitalism as being the good thing. So in that regard it was very successful.

The main difference between socialism and communism, is that socialism is introduced through peaceful means, meaning winning the election and then apply it through that. Whereas communism is through taking it by force or revolution, much like capitalism did.

Now, my solution is going passed socialism to something probably more like Global collectivism, with focus on sustainability, humanism and knowledge

I wish I could say that about the U.S. government but as you know it has been a fiasco since this whole pandemic started, and even before that. I do not know if the next president will be able to clean up the mess, or even who he will be. There is so much that is up in the air right now. I feel like I am in limbo, but for once I am not alone in this. I do not mind actually because I live one day at a time even under ordinary circumstances, but now I have been forced to. The problem with that is that when things finally settle down everything that was put on hold will come crashing down.

And I think that is the main issue and that most people already know it. We are all humans, we share the same issues regardless of where we live, no one likes to loose a love one, a lot of the issues like a virus, do not care about borders. We are all suffering from the same dieases, we don't like wars, and we simply want a decent way of living, with food on the table and as little suffering as possible. That apply to everyone. But the system in which we live, is not designed to efficiently work towards solving these issues, its about power and fight over resources, govern by money, because in the end, money is what makes these things we really care about possible. But to me money is just gravel in the machinery the way it is now, so we have to redesign the system to works around that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Excuse me for butting in, but I'm not sure we (not speaking for all of course) actually want some proof that God or anything such exists but that what we experience just doesn't point in that direction - certainly not coming via all the various religious beliefs that we have created. And we hardly give up - we just get on with life as all others do but without the encumbrance of religious beliefs. The material world exists for all of us. Not notice?

There is a logical explanation as to why there are so many different religious beliefs if one wants to know why....

Yes, the material world is all that exists for all of us, until we die.
So us believers also get on with this life, the difference being that we believe there is more to come.
It is definitely a very different mindset when one knows this is not the end of life.

 

[Mock Turtle]

There is a logical explanation as to why there are so many different religious beliefs if one wants to know why....

Yes, the material world is all that exists for all of us, until we die.
So us believers also get on with this life, the difference being that we believe there is more to come.
It is definitely a very different mindset when one knows this is not the end of life.

There will be a logical reason for virtually everything - doesn't mean they all have to be correct though. The trouble is - those who have such beliefs don't always behave in any manner better than those without all too often, and the evidence seems to show this.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Maybe, but if it is for the good of the whole world, then.......

It's just not necessary. The world works just fine with many different nations at peace. Maybe better. When the Messiah comes, that will be a different situation. Until then, you just have ordinary men doing ordinary things. Right now we have made enormous strides towards eliminating international warfare, as it is bad for international trade. Good things are in store if the trend continues. Why fix what is not broken?