Consciousness and Electrical Impulses

[Fool]

Spikes of electrical potential are typically considered to be key attributes of neurons, and neuronal spiking activity is interpreted as a language of a nervous system [1–3]. However, almost all creatures without nervous system produce spikes of electrical potential—Protozoa [4–6], Hydrozoa [7], slime moulds [8,9] and plants [10–12]. Fungi also exhibit trains of action-potential-like spikes, detectable by intracellular and extracellular recordings [13–15]

 

[Polymath257]

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chemicals are movements, vibrations. so as i have come to understand it, it is more like music than mathematics, or computational.

Chemicals are collections of atoms bound together via sharing of electrons. This is not the same as 'vibration'.

Electromagnetic spectrum - Wikipedia

matter then is nothing more than an increase/decrease in these waves, or vibrations.

Wrong. Electromagnetic waves are NOT the same as matter. Matter interacts with those waves, but has different properties. And, for example, an electron is NOT an electromagnetic wave. It *does* have wave properties (as do all quantum particles) but the specifics are very different.

 

[Polymath257]

Spikes of electrical potential are typically considered to be key attributes of neurons, and neuronal spiking activity is interpreted as a language of a nervous system [1–3]. However, almost all creatures without nervous system produce spikes of electrical potential—Protozoa [4–6], Hydrozoa [7], slime moulds [8,9] and plants [10–12]. Fungi also exhibit trains of action-potential-like spikes, detectable by intracellular and extracellular recordings [13–15]

Yes, most cells have a chemical gradient across their membranes and part of that is a separation of ions (calcium, sodium, potassium, chlorine, and protons are common ones separated). So it isn't too surprising that organisms without a nervous system can use such chemical gradients to transmit information across the organism.

 

[Fool]

Yes, most cells have a chemical gradient across their membranes and part of that is a separation of ions (calcium, sodium, potassium, chlorine, and protons are common ones separated). So it isn't too surprising that organisms without a nervous system can use such chemical gradients to transmit information across the organism.

the common denominator is electro-magnetic. not chemical compounds

 

[Polymath257]

the common denominator is electro-magnetic. not chemical compounds

Not true. The charges are *part* of the chemistry.

 

[Fool]

Not true. The charges are *part* of the chemistry.

sadly it seems that western science only attempts to work from a reverse engineering perspective and obviously is limited to earthly human conditioning and controls. energy creates forms, forms are creations of energy.

chemistry can be broken down into particles, particles into subparticles. chemical compounds, particles reside within the electromagnetic spectrum. forms do not create energy. energy creates forms.

mass doesn't create energy, it is potential energy. the energy just has to be transformed/transferred. energy that isn't mass is kinetic. energy that is mass, is potential energy.


so the electro-magnetic spectrum is based on hz. thus everything along this spectrum vibrates at varying levels and thus gives of the appearance of fluid/solid.


so the form is irrelevant because nothing is really an object as much as it's a conveyer of electromagnetic energy. a thing on saturn would not have the same form per se as that on earth. that which resides in the spectrum of earth could only take on those levels that define earth. those things that reside in the spectrum of the sun's energy relativity, would be defined to it's vibration. its hz

so then forms do not create consciousness. so then is consciousness just a type of energy?

 

[Polymath257]

sadly it seems that western science only attempts to work from a reverse engineering perspective and obviously is limited to earthly human conditioning and controls. energy creates forms, forms are creations of energy.

chemistry can be broken down into particles, particles into subparticles. chemical compounds, particles reside within the electromagnetic spectrum. forms do not create energy. energy creates forms.

Nope. The electromagnetic spectrum is only for the particles known as photons.

Energy is a *property of particles*, like momentum or mass.

mass doesn't create energy, it is potential energy. the energy just has to be transformed/transferred. energy that isn't mass is kinetic. energy that is mass, is potential energy.

Nope. There are several different forms of energy, but all of them are ultimately properties of matter (which is not the same as mass, which is a type of energy).

so the electro-magnetic spectrum is based on hz. thus everything along this spectrum vibrates at varying levels and thus gives of the appearance of fluid/solid.

Nope. Like all wave phenomena, electromagnetic waves have a frequency. That frequency is measured in Herz (cycles per second). Water waves, for example, also have a frequency measured in Herz, but they are NOT electromagnetic waves.

so the form is irrelevant because nothing is really an object as much as it's a conveyer of electromagnetic energy. a thing on saturn would not have the same form per se as that on earth. that which resides in the spectrum of earth could only take on those levels that define earth. those things that reside in the spectrum of the sun's energy relativity, would be defined to it's vibration. its hz

The conveyor of electromagnetic energy is known as the photon. That is *one* type of fundamental particle, but there are many others. And those that carry *other* forces (like the weak and strong forces) have their own properties.

As for Saturn versus Earth: a methane molecules is exactly the same on Saturn as it is here. An electron is also exactly the same there as here.

The phrase 'spectrum of the Earth' makes no sense.

I strongly suggest you go learn some physics before you go on about these things because what you are saying is simply wrong in many ways.

so then forms do not create consciousness. so then is consciousness just a type of energy?

No, consciousness is NOT a form of energy. It is a *process* ultimately based on neural activity in our brains.

 

[exchemist]

sadly it seems that western science only attempts to work from a reverse engineering perspective and obviously is limited to earthly human conditioning and controls. energy creates forms, forms are creations of energy.

chemistry can be broken down into particles, particles into subparticles. chemical compounds, particles reside within the electromagnetic spectrum. forms do not create energy. energy creates forms.

mass doesn't create energy, it is potential energy. the energy just has to be transformed/transferred. energy that isn't mass is kinetic. energy that is mass, is potential energy.


so the electro-magnetic spectrum is based on hz. thus everything along this spectrum vibrates at varying levels and thus gives of the appearance of fluid/solid.


so the form is irrelevant because nothing is really an object as much as it's a conveyer of electromagnetic energy. a thing on saturn would not have the same form per se as that on earth. that which resides in the spectrum of earth could only take on those levels that define earth. those things that reside in the spectrum of the sun's energy relativity, would be defined to it's vibration. its hz

so then forms do not create consciousness. so then is consciousness just a type of energy?

"Western science"? Science is science. Japanese or Chinese science is no different from French or German science.

All this woo about "energy" is misconceived. Energy is just a property of a physical system of some kind. It is not "stuff". It can't just exist on its own, any more than momentum can, or colour. Or in fact mass: you can't have a jug of mass either. You can have a jug of something that has mass.....and colour, energy - and momentum (if it's moving relative to you). All these things are properties of something, not free-standing entities.

It's true that atoms are largely empty(-ish) space, but that's quite a different thing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

they collect energy they don't create energy. electricity is the wave, radiation off of something electromagnetic. it really isn't created as much as it's amplified, transformed, transferred, or reduced. again you can't create/destroy energy. it can only be transformed


the fastest it can travel is basically at the speed of light.


chemicals are made up of atoms.

Even the atom isn't small enough to explain the workings of electricity. We need to dive down one more level and look in on the building blocks of atoms: protons, neutrons, and electrons.

Building Blocks of Atoms
An atom is built with a combination of three distinct particles: electrons, protons, and neutrons. Each atom has a center nucleus, where the protons and neutrons are densely packed together. Surrounding the nucleus are a group of orbiting electrons.

Don't forget quarks, leptons, and bosons among others.

 

[Fool]

Nope. The electromagnetic spectrum is only for the particles known as photons.









Nope. There are several different forms of energy, but all of them are ultimately properties of matter (which is not the same as mass, which is a type of energy).



Nope. Like all wave phenomena, electromagnetic waves have a frequency. That frequency is measured in Herz (cycles per second). Water waves, for example, also have a frequency measured in Herz, but they are NOT electromagnetic waves.



The conveyor of electromagnetic energy is known as the photon. That is *one* type of fundamental particle, but there are many others. And those that carry *other* forces (like the weak and strong forces) have their own properties.

As for Saturn versus Earth: a methane molecules is exactly the same on Saturn as it is here. An electron is also exactly the same there as here.

The phrase 'spectrum of the Earth' makes no sense.

I strongly suggest you go learn some physics before you go on about these things because what you are saying is simply wrong in many ways.



No, consciousness is NOT a form of energy. It is a *process* ultimately based on neural activity in our brains.

so something creates energy and mass?


and what ever that something is, is it solid? matter? does it have a form? a structure?

guark-gluon plasma?

 

[Polymath257]

so something creates energy and mass?

Energy and mass are properties of quantum particles. Just like spin, momentum, angular momentum, parity, etc.

So, an electron *always* has a particular mass, an energy that depends on its motion (kinetic energy), a particular spin, etc.

and what ever that something is, is it solid? matter? does it have a form? a structure?

Solidity is a property of a large collection of atoms or molecules. It doesn't make sense at the subatomic level. And the terms 'form' and 'structure' are too vague to be useful here.

guark-gluon plasma?

What about it? No, it is not what 'creates' mass or energy.

 

[Fool]

Energy and mass are properties of quantum particles. Just like spin, momentum, angular momentum, parity, etc.

So, an electron *always* has a particular mass, an energy that depends on its motion (kinetic energy), a particular spin, etc.



Solidity is a property of a large collection of atoms or molecules. It doesn't make sense at the subatomic level. And the terms 'form' and 'structure' are too vague to be useful here.




What about it? No, it is not what 'creates' mass or energy.

so matter is not really solid at the quantum level? but it isn't immaterial either?

 

[Polymath257]

so matter is not really solid at the quantum level? but it isn't immaterial either?

A solid is a particular state of a collection of atoms. It simply makes no sense below the level of atoms.

And what do you mean by the term 'immaterial'? If *anything* is material, then electrons and quarks are.

 

[Fool]

A solid is a particular state of a collection of atoms. It simply makes no sense below the level of atoms.

And what do you mean by the term 'immaterial'? If *anything* is material, then electrons and quarks are.

i think i've found what i'm looking for. especially the last line

• • Matter and Energy really aren’t in the same class and shouldn’t be paired in one’s mind.
  • Matter, in fact, is an ambiguous term; there are several different definitions used in both scientific literature and in public discourse. Each definition selects a certain subset of the particles of nature, for different reasons. Consumer beware! Matter is always some kind of stuff, but which stuff depends on context.
  • Energy is not ambiguous (not within physics, anyway). But energy is not itself stuff; it is something that all stuff has.
  • The term Dark Energy confuses the issue, since it isn’t (just) energy after all. It also really isn’t stuff; certain kinds of stuff can be responsible for its presence, though we don’t know the details.
  • Photons should not be called `energy’, or `pure energy’, or anything similar. All particles are ripples in fields and have energy; photons are not special in this regard. Photons are stuff; energy is not.
  • The stuff of the universe is all made from fields (the basic ingredients of the universe) and their particles. At least this is the post-1973 viewpoint.

the following video says that particles are nothing more than oscillations in field.

 

[Alley Oop]

if consciousness is based on electrical impulses, then how does the body create electricity, or electromagnetic radiation, waves; which is an energy that supposedly can't be created/destroyed? basically electromagnetic.


Consciousness as a Physical Process Caused by the Organization of Energy in the Brain

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