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Consciousness and Electrical Impulses

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  1. Fool

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    But it can be changed from energy to mass to energy.

    The body gets its energy from the charged chemicals digested from food
     
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    the electromagnetic field exists everywhere; so then how does this radiation get created by the brain; if consciousness can only exist as an electrical impulse. it doesn't just come from ingesting something else. it's collected in other ways too.


    does an antennae create energy? or consciousness? if not then how does a brain create electrical impulses that we call consciousness?
     
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    they collect energy they don't create energy. electricity is the wave, radiation off of something electromagnetic. it really isn't created as much as it's amplified, transformed, transferred, or reduced. again you can't create/destroy energy. it can only be transformed


    the fastest it can travel is basically at the speed of light.


    chemicals are made up of atoms.

    Even the atom isn't small enough to explain the workings of electricity. We need to dive down one more level and look in on the building blocks of atoms: protons, neutrons, and electrons.

    Building Blocks of Atoms
    An atom is built with a combination of three distinct particles: electrons, protons, and neutrons. Each atom has a center nucleus, where the protons and neutrons are densely packed together. Surrounding the nucleus are a group of orbiting electrons.
     
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    As i said the body takes its energy from the food it eats.
     
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    yes but that iisn't exclusive. it takes it from air, even from sunshine, and absorbs it through the skin increasing the mass and volume.
     
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    And?
     
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    it isn't being created. its being converted. energy doesn't get created/destroyed. it is transferred/transformed to another system. once the electricity is stopped that energy isn't destroyed. its just disrupted. that energy has to go somewhere else. the amplification drops, is no longer as structured. but the energy is still there.

    the energy is kinetic or potential but it isn't created/destroyed


    so consciousness would have to exist at a sub-atomic, quantum level and not just a cellular level. it is the movement of these things that we call consciousness
     
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    Energy and electricity are not the same exactly. Energy is a more generic term. Electricity is a specific type of energy. There are many types of energy.

    Heat, light, gravity, motion, chemical. In the body we transform chemical energy into electrical energy. So nothing is being created, just transformed.
     
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    And still the body gets (converts) its energy from the food we eat

    And radiates energy as heat.
     
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    yes i already know this but electricity is movement of those protons, electrons, neutrons. it isn't chemical.

    evidently you didn't read the article linked in the response
     
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    The link in the OP?
    Actually I liked it since it supported my earlier post about non-physical evidence.
    Just didn't quite understand how it related to your question.
     
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    Well, energy can be *transformed* from one type to another. So, potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy, which can be converted into heat, which can be converted into electrical energy, etc.

    In the body, the foods we eat provide chemical energy. That chemical energy is released in a variety of chemical reactions that do everything from break down food, to build up tissues, to separate charges (ions) across cell membranes.

    In particular, in neurons, sodium and potassium ions are often separated across the membrane of the neuron. When a nerve impulse starts, a chemical signal opens up ion channels that allow the ions to move across the membrane. This is a current (a motion of charges). This current produces a magnetic field which then interacts with the separated charges down the line, propagating the signal.

    The 'electricity' in the body functions quite differently than the electricity in copper wires. In wires, the electrons move along the wires while in the neurons, the electrons actually move across the membrane, not in the direction of the nerve.

    When a nerve signal gets to the end of the neuron, that electrical signal is again transformed into a chemical signal (when neurotransmitters are released). When that chemical signal gets to the next neuron, it opens the ion channels there and gets the signal going again.

    So the actual signal in the brain is a mix of electrical, magnetic, and chemical. In that way it is quite different than the electrical systems in our houses. Among other things, it propagates a LOT slower (because of the chemical aspects).
     
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    Just one quibble: electricity is a flow of electric charge. It has, or carries, energy - electrical energy (volts x amps) - but it is not quite right to say it "is" energy.
     
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    Yes, usually it is transformed into heat or chemical energy.

    This does not follow. Consciousness, while based in the activities of neurons, doesn't happen at the level of individual neurons. It happens in *networks* of those neurons.
     
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    atoms are created based on their differences of electrical charges. molecules are created based on their electrical charges. again the flow of consciousness is based on electrical charges through objects of electrical charge. a body in its entirety is an electromagnetic field which is charged.

    consciousness is an electrical charge
     
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    Only in a very loose sense. The mass is more important, with the mass b eing mostly in the nucleus.

    A bit more true, but missing a LOT of details. Molecular bonds between atoms amount to a sharing of electrons.

    It makes no sense to say an electromagnetic filed is charged. Charges produce electric fields and moving charges produce magnetic fields. Those electric and magnetic fields, in turn, affect the motion of charges.

    For example, light is not charged, even though it is a electromagnetic field.

    So, no, a body is NOT simply an electromagnetic field. And human bodies tend to be electrically neutral.

    No. The information that supports consciousness is the result of the *movement* of charges *and* chemicals. The chemical signals between neurons are not specifically due to the charge on those chemicals.
     
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    chemicals are movements, vibrations. so as i have come to understand it, it is more like music than mathematics, or computational.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum


    matter then is nothing more than an increase/decrease in these waves, or vibrations.
     
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