Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Because when a shooter appears somewhere, the police don't send in negotiators or massage therapists. they send in a SWAT team to shoot the perp.
Except it's usually about 20 minutes too late.
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Connecticut School Shooting
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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Except it's usually about 20 minutes too late.
You know they do make doors that hold up pretty well.
Not exactly. We already have fire doors that close automatically, this would not be like a prison, it would just reduce complete access to the whole school.I dunno, schools are gunna have to be built and guarded like prisons I guess.
But then you would need to stay out of shopping malls and airports too.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
In any country other than America people would suggest you play too many graphic video games.
Well no, it's not a matter of keeping the kids out of school buildings because I'm afraid of a shooting, it's a matter of not wanting my child to spend countless hours day in and day out in an enviornment that feels and lools like a prison building. However if as you say, the measures of (gun')' fire' proof doors that close in the case of an emergency, and truly bullet proof windows and such can be implimented while keeping the enviornment bright and unpatrolled I guess that's best. A safe room or two might not be such a bad idea either. They're children for god's sake. They need a safe place to retreat to in the case of such an emergency.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
What, these people?
As an aside, also a bit humorous: it's understood that people who play shooter video games would be better prepared in a fire fight than an average person who has never had combat situations simulated for them. Why do you think most modern militaries today, actually use computer combat simulators?
Just like a tornado shelter. Kids need a safe place to go and have a plan just like fire drills.
You know this could be as simple as a metal detector and double doors in the entrance.
We don't need bars and guns everywhere. A little common sense and some thoughtful planning would go a long way here. I want children protected from fire, storms and yes, crazy people too. That's not too much to ask.
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Most schools have multiple enterances. Some even right in the classrooms. This could be good or bad I guess. Depending on the situation. I'm too tired for this. The truth is, we build stupidly in general. But I could rant a whole nother threads worth on that, if I wasn't tired and felt like it.
Anonymouse
Member
Certainly people have the freedom to live in fear, but I would argue that's not really living.
Anonymouse
Member
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
What, these people?
As an aside, also a bit humorous: it's understood that people who play shooter video games would be better prepared in a fire fight than an average person who has never had combat situations simulated for them. Why do you think most modern militaries today, actually use computer combat simulators?
I like it. I'm sure you're right. One day when someone holds up a service statiion you're in you'll know to flip a wooden table as bullets cannot penetrate an inch of wood 
I arrived at work this morning just in time to hear a co-worker detail his theory that Obama is directly behind this shooting. It's a covert attempt by the Democratic leadership to bring about a gun ban.
Seriously?? You have got to be ******* kidding me.
Seriously?? You have got to be ******* kidding me.
Thats sooo dumb. Obama is clear he does not want ban guns. Lol wtf...
E. Nato Difficile
Active Member
Like all conspiracy theories, this one raises more questions than it supposedly answers. If the anti-gun forces were really that ruthless and cunning, wouldn't they have made this happen before the election?
Tinhat reality = bad fiction.
-Nato
esmith
Veteran Member
I see no reason at all why certain institutions shouldn't have a key (code and hand print recognition) and police call release system for gun lock boxes strategically located around the site, to be opened by employees trained to shoot in the case of an emergency situation where an armed intruder NEEDS TO BE STOPPED QUICKLY.
To me, this is simple common sense. I am absolutely heartbroken by Friday's slaughter of the innocents. The defenseless are the ones who need measures of self defence. The knowledge that there are lock boxes with guns located in a school and employees there trained to shoot might also DETER maniacs from busting in like they own the place and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The predator does not want to become quick prey. It takes only one maniac with a gun to kill multitudes. As well it takes only one person with a gun to shoot down the maniac and stop the mass devistation from continuing. But if you have to wait for that person to come in from outside.... it just takes too long.
From various sources of data only about 80% of soldiers returned fire in combat. These men would have considerably more training than your average citizen even with moderate training. There is a big, no make that a tremendous difference between firing at paper targets and a human, especially a deranged human with a weapon that places no value on their life or anyone else's. I hate to say this but there is absolutely no way anything can be done to completely stop the incidents of mass murder. It is a problem that everyone in this world has to live with. The politicians will form committees or spend tax dollars to have this issue studied, other politicians will introduce additional bills on gun control, others will appear on TV programs expressing their ideas on the issue, and the talking heads will spew forth their comments. The TV networks will send forth their correspondents to interview anyone even remotely associated with the event. In the end nothing will be solved, because it can't be solved.
Let me give you an example of how some people react when they have a gun in their hand. When I was in high school a person moved in next door from us. We became friends and he found out that I hunted and wanted to go deer hunting the next season. He purchased a rifle and we spent many hours on target practice and general gun safety. The next season we went hunting. To make a long story short, he came across a deer and said that none of his shells worked. I look around where he had been sitting and sure enough there were numerous cartridges laying on the ground. None of the primers had been hit, he had worked the bolt on his rifle but never pulled the trigger.
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No that. Makes no sense if done before it would have cost obama the election.
E. Nato Difficile
Active Member
Hey, get your tinhat logic straight.
If this had happened before the election, the issue of gun control would have been first and foremost in voters' minds. If Romney was counting on NRA members and gun nuts to help re-elect him, he couldn't have capitulated to the gun control hysteria that would have exploded in the wake of the tragedy. Obama, pandering to the opposite end of the political spectrum, would have come across as having a much more prudent and realistic stance on the issue.
How exactly would it have "cost Obama the election"?
-Nato
Make a new thread and send me a link. I dont want to derail this one any further. ....
What were the motives of the shooter. I keep asking myself.
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E. Nato Difficile
Active Member
Unless you're a police officer, no one on a school campus should have any firearms, period. Doesn't matter of you're able to wield it or not, it's a just a time bomb ready to go off when talking about hundreds of kids having multiple guns within reach.
Agreed totally.Reverend Rick said: