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Christmas 25 Dec: Scholarly views

As I’m poorly, can’t sleep and am very bored I thought I’d pass the time by posting some summaries and quotes from scholarly papers on the Christmas date. Unfortunately, as I’m poorly and haven’t slept, I can’t be bothered to make the slightest effort to be concise so no one will want to read it :D

Tl;dr: there isn’t enough evidence to be certain, although, imo, one of the 2 major theories is significantly more probable than the other.

Like most ancient history, there is no objective, incontrovertible proof for how the date emerged, so we are forced to deal with probabilities. There are 2 major theories in academic scholarship though.

The Saturnalia theory that is expressed a lot on RF is not one of these as it simply doesn’t feature much in scholarly sources. This is because there is not a shred of evidence in favour of it other than they are roughly at the same time of year. It also comes from a time when Christians were still expressing hostility towards adopting pagan customs and the first recorded Christmas is only 30 years or so since Christians were being actively persecuted by Diocletian for this very reason. It’s not impossible, but that doesn’t automatically make it probable.

Also, the idea that ‘Constantine did it as a marketing ploy’ is highly unlikely as the following quote from 386 shows:

Although it is not yet the tenth year since this day became clear and familiar to us, through your zeal, it has now flourished as though it was given from the beginning many years ago. Because of this one would not be far wrong in saying that it is both new and old: new because it has only recently been made known to you, old and venerable because it has swiftly become similar in stature to days long recognised and it feels as though it is of similar age to them… This day was known from the beginning to those in the West: now it has been brought to us and before the passing of many years, has swiftly shot up, bearing such fruit as you now see – the precincts full and the church packed with the crowd who have gathered together. John Chrysostom - Homily on the date of Christmas

For Chrysostom, writing in 386 in the Eastern Roman Empire, “The West” means Rome (centre of the Western Roman Empire). As such he is acknowledging the tradition took some time to reach Constantinople from the West and only came to the Eastern part of the Empire in the 370s.

So unless we are going to operate under the assumption that Connie invented Christmas to fool the dupes on the other side of his Empire, yet forgot about fooling the dupes in his capital, ‘The City of Constantine’, it seems a bit far fetched to assume he was responsible for Christmas.

Will split this into 2 posts. The first is the slightly less inconcise version. The 2nd has a bit more detail for anyone interested.

Fwiw, all information is sourced from peer-reviewed scholarly journals or secular academic texts.

How did Christmas end up being celebrated in the middle of winter, on December 25?…

[Theories on the pagan origins of xmas are] essentially a product of the sixteenth-century Reformation, which inspired some Protestant, and in particular Calvinist, scholars to attack the historical basis of feasts like Christmas in new and pathbreaking ways. As recent research has shown, it is in the context of these early modern inquiries into the history of the liturgical year, which were often permeated by inter-confessional polemic, that the two basic approaches to understanding Christmas’s origins that continue to characterize twenty-first century debate on the subject first germinated. For lack of more appropriate labels, these two approaches may be referred to as the “History of Religions Theory” (henceforth: HRT) and the “Calculation Theory” (CT).

Roughly speaking, proponents of HRT interpret Christmas as a Christianized version or substitute for pagan celebrations that took place on the same date in the Roman calendar, the most widely cited example being the birthday of Sol Invictus on December 25.

By contrast, adherents to CT find evidence that the birthday of Christ was determined independently, by recourse to certain types of chronological speculation… Christmas on December 25 was derived from the day of Christ’s Passion, for which commemorative dates in the Julian calendar had already been established in the late-second or early-third centuries. Assuming that Christ spent a perfect number of years in the flesh, Christian scholars established a chronological parallelism between the conception in Mary’s womb (Annunciation) and his death on the cross, which were both assigned to March 25, the Roman date of the vernal equinox. In a further step, they added a schematically rounded number of nine months to the date of Jesus’ conception to arrive at his birth on the day of the winter solstice, December 25. The Origins of the Christmas Date: Some Recent Trends in Historical Research - C. P. E. Nothaft

There are a number of problems with the HRT which I won’t go into in any detail in this thread.

In short though:

1. Sol Invictus, as some new henotheistic god, didn’t actually exist. It’s just plain old Sol/Helios from before. Invictus is just an epithet attached, like adding Christ to Jesus and Sol was far from the only god to have this epithet attached to their name.
2. The idea that there was a major tradition for Sol on 25 Dec to be ‘stolen’ is highly dubious as there is no real evidence for it. It likely post-dates Christmas and may even be a response to Christmas initiated by Julian the Apostate.
3. Counterintuitively, celebrations for the ‘Unconquered Sun’ were not traditionally tied to solar events with festivities for Sol recorded on multiple dates in August and early December recorded so it is not correct to assume it must have been centred on the solstice.


We have no firm evidence for a festival for Sol on December 25th until Julian wrote his hymn to Helios in December of 362. The entry in the calendar of 354 is probably for Sol, although only the epithet invictus is used (above, n. 4), and probably dates to 354, although it was possibly added later. Circumstantial evidence suggests that a festival of Sol on the winter solstice was not yet included in such calendars in the late 320s. As the Christian celebration of Christmas on December 25th can be attested in Rome by AD 336, at which point it may already have been well-established and the celebration of Sol on that day cannot be attested before AD 354/362 and had not yet entered the calendar in the late 320s, it is impossible to postulate that Christmas arose in reaction to some solar festival. There is quite simply not one iota of explicit evidence for a major festival of Sol on December 25th prior to the establishment of Christmas, nor is there any circumstantial evidence that there was likely to have been one. There is only Julian’s overly emphatic insistence that the celebration was as old as Numa… which is a fabrication and his convoluted explanation for the date is impossible.
S Hijmans - Usener’s Christmas: A contribution to the modern construct of late antique solar syncretism)

Some more details on the Calculation Thesis follow. It should be noted though that the CT doesn’t aim to establish when people started to celebrate Christmas, but how people identified the date. There is no reason to assume that if they did establish a date that this would instantly become an important celebration, or that this was the purpose of establishing the date. Easter was the most important Christian event.
 

The earliest sources…


We know from late 2nd C sources such as Clement of Alexandria that Christians were interested in identifying Jesus’ birthday. At this stage numerous dates were proposed, none of which were the 25th Dec. They weren’t just proposing random dates though, but calculating using different theological methodologies.

The disagreement is not surprising as Orthodoxy only develops over time, and prior to this there is often some degree of variance and competition. There is no Biblical dating for Christmas after all.

If we know people were trying out different ways to calculate the date in the 2nd C though, it wouldn’t be surprising if sooner or later one of these methods ‘won’ and gained pre-eminence.

What gained preeminence?

Jumping to the 8th C Britain, the venerable Bede wrote:

our Lord was conceived and suffered on the 8th kalends of April [March 25], at the spring equinox, and that he was born at the winter solstice on the 8th kalends of January [December 25]. And again, that the Lord’s blessed precursor and Baptist was conceived at the autumn equinox on the 8th kalends of October [September 24] and born at the summer sol- stice on the 8th kalends of July [June 24]. To this they add the explanation that it was fitting that the Creator of eternal light should be conceived and born along with the increase of temporal light, and that the herald of penance, who must decrease, should be engendered and born at a time when the light is diminishing.

Bede is referencing On the solstices and equinoxes of the conception and birth of our Lord Jesus Christ and John the Baptist, a purportedly 4th C text written by John Chrysostom (but now considered pseudo-Chrysostom dated somewhere between 3rd-5th C which unfortunately means it’s of no use for establishing the date of the ‘first Christmas’)

The 4th C is when we get the first definitive reference to Christmas, in a Calendar produced for a wealthy Christian in 354, that contains a clear reference to Christmas in 336.

So if this was the first definitive dating should we consider Christmas a 4th C invention?

Without being truly definitive, there is actually quite good reason to believe it developed earlier.

There was a North African sect called the Donatists who split form the Church in 312 and seem to have their origins a decade or so earlier during the Diocletian persecutions (perhaps not coincidentally, given their austere approach to religion, there was a Muslim Kharijite revolt against the Umayyads in the same Berber region that the Donatists developed in many years later).

During the persecutions, the Romans had demanded Christians hand over their scriptures. Some groups caved in to the pressure, the Donatists, who were a very strict sect, did not.

They even believed a priest who had accepted the demands of the authorities to hand over their scriptures was no longer fit to deliver holy sacraments as they held a belief that a priest must be free of sin.

There is also evidence that they refused to adopt innovations, as we have records from Augustine showing they refused to adopt the celebration of Epiphany on 6 Jan in line with the rest of the Church. That their refusal to celebrate Epiphany was noted, yet not their refusal to adopt Christmas strongly suggests that they did celebrate Christmas on the 25th Dec.

This is important for 2 reasons:

1. It points towards a North African tradition going back to at least the start of the 4th
2. Given the nature of their sect and their hardline attitudes, it makes it somewhat unlikely that they would accept a date that was clearly an attempt to appropriate a Pagan holiday as some kind of marketing ploy. This was still a time when people were being killed for refusing to adopt pagan customs after all. This makes it more likely that there was a Christian reason to favour the 25th.


Is there any 3rd C evidence that supports this?

Yes, admittedly not incontrovertible, but certainly notable.

Thanks to the paschal table of Hippolytus, we can be sure that 25 March played an important role in Christian chronology as the date of the crucifixion since at least the early third century, thus laying the ground for an influential calendrical tradition in the Western church.

Since it was established early on that Jesus died on 25 March, and since it was also assumed, based on Luke’s annunciation narrative, that he was born in winter, early Christians would have been tempted to re-interpret 25 March as the day of conception, whereby they could then arrive at 25 December as the date of the nativity. The attractiveness of 25 March and 25 December – the vernal equinox and the winter solstice – as cardinal points in the life of the Savior was naturally further underscored by a widespread solar symbolism, which viewed Christ as the “sun of righteousness” and is clearly present in chronological texts such as De pascha computus and the aforementioned On the solstices. CP Nothaft - Early Christian Chronology and the Origins of the Christmas


A couple of sources, Hippolytus and Julius Africanus seem to propose 25 Dec as the date of Jesus’ birth and are discussed in TC Schmidt’s Calculating December 25 as the Birth of Jesus in Hippolytus’ Canon and Chronicon.

He notes:

We must remember that when analyzing the works of Christian chronologists, like Hippolytus [, we enter a place quite different from the realm of commentaries, liturgies, homilies, canon law, and theological speculation. Instead we find ourselves in a confusingly complex and unremittingly exact mathematical and astronomical world where chronologists debate not only about the year in which the earth was created, but on what day of the month, and even over what hour of which day the moon was created and in what phase.

It's also worth noting that these scholars utilised highly allegorical and symbolic frameworks for analysing the theological calendar, which is why we get the importance of the solstices (which are tangible astronomical phenomena, which are no more intrinsically ‘pagan’ than the sun is).

Hippolytus tells us in his Chronicon that Jesus was conceived on the Passover and that this was exactly 5,502 years from creation. Because the Canon and the Chronicon use the same chronological system, we can calculate backwards 5,502 years from the ‘γένεσις of Christ’ in the Canon to find Hippolytus’ date for the first Passover. Counting the annual cycles in the Canon inclusively, we do in fact reach Thursday, March 29.

Because our calculations above show that Hippolytus believed that the very first Passover occurred on March 29, Thursday, the 5th day of the week, he must have therefore marked Sunday, March 25 as the first day of creation. This agrees exactly with what the anonymous computist said about his predecessors. Therefore, Chronicon §686-688 appears to claim that Jesus was born 5502 years and 9 months from this point, which corresponds with December 25…

Hippolytus’ use of the Roman calendar and its placement of the Vernal Equinox on March 25 is therefore a key reason why he seems to have chosen December 25 as the birthday of Jesus. While it seems probable that Hippolytus himself chose December 25, if he did not, then it is clear that the slightest manipulation of his methods would have easily resulted in its selection.

Nothaft in Early Christian Chronology and the Origins of the Christmas Date has also recently argued that Julius Africanus most likely also chose December 25 in 221 CE using similar methods. This, coupled with Hippolytus’ probable choice around the same time, further argues that the selection of December 25 as the birthday of Jesus occurred sometime in the early third century, more than 100 years before its earliest explicit attestation in the Chronography of 354.

Overall, there is currently no way of definitively knowing the origins of the Christmas date as the Calculation Theory does rely on some degree of inference from 3rd/4th C evidence rather than being directly attested to. Alternative theories seem to have much greater problems though. Firstly a paucity of evidence in their favour. Secondly, that early Christians were persecuted for their refusal to adopt pagan customs and were not united under a common leadership making the lack of apparent resistance to overt ‘paganisation’ notable. The ‘pagan’ links were not made until many centuries later, and didn’t become commonplace until the era of Protestant anti-Catholic polemic.

Whether one finds the Calculation Theory persuasive or not, the commonly expressed (near) certainty that 25 Dec is a deliberate appropriation of a pagan feast is not something that is justified by any evidence.
 

danieldemol

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Thanks for sharing @Augustus , I used to think it was just the wisdom of Constantine to unite pagans and Christians in a shared holiday.

Guess i’ll have to rethink that one :D
 

SigurdReginson

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Thanks for all the in deapth research on that. Very interesting. :D

I think one reason people draw those conclusions would be that the Christian holidays have had so many folk influenced elements incorporated into them. Some seemingly modern, others seemingly from a deeper time.

The Christmas most in the west seem to celebrate would be inspired by the Brittish variant; the one they exported via their colonial empire. This variant is influenced greatly from the Germanic holiday of Yule. It'd be interesting to see how those two holidays influenced eachother, and which traditions are modern inventions as well. Some such as the Yule Log and Wassail definitely have ancient pagan roots, but others have changed drastically as time progressed, such as Santa.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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And exactly who was there to record the date that either John the Baptist or Jesus was conceived? I do not even know the exact date my son was conceived. And that was only a few years ago. Did someone 2000 years ago record the dates they had sex? And even that would not tell the exact date of conception.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Does anyone actually still believe Jesus was born in winter? What about common sense departures in the narrative, e.g. flocks wouldn't be in the field at night in the dead of winter, nor would a census have been called since that's when travel was most trecharous.
 

Milton Platt

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And exactly who was there to record the date that either John the Baptist or Jesus was conceived? I do not even know the exact date my son was conceived. And that was only a few years ago. Did someone 2000 years ago record the dates they had sex? And even that would not tell the exact date of conception.

I think this was about birth dates, and not conception dates.
 
And exactly who was there to record the date that either John the Baptist or Jesus was conceived? I do not even know the exact date my son was conceived.

No one "recorded it". The point was that theologians wanted to work it out and so they developed methods to calculate it.

None of the articles are making the claim that this is actually the real, genuine date of the real-world conception of the historical figure who later became known as John the Baptist.
 
Does anyone actually still believe Jesus was born in winter? What about common sense departures in the narrative, e.g. flocks wouldn't be in the field at night in the dead of winter, nor would a census have been called since that's when travel was most trecharous.

We'd also have to question the census itself of course.

As for sheep, there are mixed views on it being plausible, but I have no idea about pastoral practices regarding domesticated ungulates in the Classical Middle East :D

It's not really about when he was born though, but why Christians came to believe that he was born in the winter.
 
I think one reason people draw those conclusions would be that the Christian holidays have had so many folk influenced elements incorporated into them. Some seemingly modern, others seemingly from a deeper time.

Certainly true that people bring their cultural traditions with them when they adopt new belief systems and these become intermingled and indistinguishable over time.

That's one of the reasons the hardline Protestants didn't like it as "It's not Biblical".
 

amorphous_constellation

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I think one reason people draw those conclusions would be that the Christian holidays have had so many folk influenced elements incorporated into them. Some seemingly modern, others seemingly from a deeper time.

Or because I actually trust Bede, who probably lived around pagans and gave us the full pagan calendar in the 8th century:
A Month by Month Guide To The Anglo-Saxon Calendar

I have no reason to distrust what he says about his own culture, which he wanted to give a history of. Or should I believe like the op says, that this is a 16th century conspiracy? I think Christianity is probably pagan right at the roots of it, that seems more logical to me. On 'mothers' night,' Mary is featured as a norn triple-goddess of fate. These goddesses gave men their fates at birth, and this birth is also symbolized by the sun then being born into the new year. The northern world had a wide-ranging influence at one time, why shouldn't I believe that it actually contributed to the creation of christianity
 

amorphous_constellation

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Certainly true that people bring their cultural traditions with them when they adopt new belief systems and these become intermingled and indistinguishable over time.

Well, as pope Gregory I himself said about the British christian mission, the replacement by christian veneer was actually an explicit strategy. It sure would save me a lot of time to figure out what was going on with the conversion, as opposed to writing it off as a 16th century reformation conspiracy

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/greg1-mellitus.txt
 
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Well, as pope Gregory I himself said about the British christian mission, the replacement by christian veneer was actually an explicit strategy. It sure would save me a lot of time to figure out what was going on with the conversion, as opposed to writing it off as a 16th century reformation conspiracy

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/greg1-mellitus.txt

That's much too late to have relevance to the origins of Christmas though.

The "16th C Reformation conspiracy" was the argument that the "Christmas is pagan" debate is primarily the product of the Reformation (where it is basically the opposite of a conspiracy, but highly public cause related advocacy).
 
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