Christianity and Atheism commonality.

[AnthonyGiarrusso]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14). This means anybody who doesn't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy. Ashiests also think people who don't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy.

I think we can all agree regardless of religious status that teenagers need to pick up their clothes and wash their own clothes themselves. Wow, what a blessing that would be!

 

[dybmh]

This belongs in the Jokes forum. Not complaining. I don't know the book of Revelation, so I wasn't aware of this obvious common ground with most modern people.

But what about those of us who like being dirty. I like being dirty. But not sweaty. Ew.

 

[Viker]

I'm neither Christian nor atheist. I can't stand dirty clothing. I either wash it or set it on fire.

And kids these days should follow my lead. I'm like a spiritual momma.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I'm neither Christian nor atheist. I can't stand dirty clothing. I either wash it or set it on fire.

And kids these days should follow my lead. I'm like a spiritual momma.

I'm hoping the clothes aren't being worn when you light them up...

 

[Viker]

I'm hoping the clothes aren't being worn when you light them up...

Oh no. It should be done safely with proper supervision.

 

[Heyo]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14). This means anybody who doesn't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy. Ashiests also think people who don't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy.

I think we can all agree regardless of religious status that teenagers need to pick up their clothes and wash their own clothes themselves. Wow, what a blessing that would be!

I agree. Now if we also could agree to wash our hands before a meal, that would be great. (Mark 7:1-23)

 

[wellwisher]

If you notice, most Atheists, have the biggest chip on their shoulder against Christianity, with many Atheists having had a Christian upbringing. It appears Modern Atheism was a polar spawn of Christianity.

Christianity was isolated, until it merged with Rome, in the 4th century AD. It become the official religion of the Roman Empire. This merger brought together opposites in the sense of spiritual and secular needs, ideas, and compromises. It added a rational, practical and social sophistication to the humble faith of the early Christian Religion.

The merger lasted about 1000 years until about 1400's. This is when the merger, implicit of the unity of the Roman Catholic Church, starts to split, polarizing into many opposites; Protestants. The modern Roman and Christian aspects started to separate and differentiate, like daughter cells a fertilized ovum. Nazi Germany was almost the pure Roman side of the split, down to the technology, world empire and Roman goose-step. Atheism was also part of that split. As polar opposites, Atheism would define itself as the opposite of faith; reason. It was be also more connected to Rome, where humans could be gods; Caesar, being the opposite of the Christian religion; God in heaven.

As a spawn, Atheism began like a child, in the terrible two's, who learns the power of the word, "no". They could be oblivious to what you require or ask, but trump it anyway with one redundant word; "no". It create the illusion of will and choice, but does not require either, just a simple word gimmick. If it was rational they would use their power of reason to filter and collect that which has rational, such as the ancient wisdom of human nature. But they are a polar reflection in the mirror, and look in the mirror, and then assume the opposite.

Here is an interesting quote I found.

The most important Greek thinker in the development of atheism was Epicurus ( c. 300 BCE). Drawing on the ideas of Democritus and the Atomists, he espoused a materialistic philosophy according to which the universe was governed by the laws of chance without the need for divine intervention.

Modern Science also came from the split. It first entered the Age of Reason and then in the 20th century went backwards to the age of Casino Science and chance, driven by Atheists. The original modern science approach of reason assumed an order to the universe, which came from religion; God. God implies determinism and order and they felt that reason could be used to unravel the mysteries of that order. Now with Atheism lacking balance, it returned science back to a BC science approach of materialism; labs, dice and cards.

I would like anyone, especially an Atheist, to explain where random comes from in terms of laws of science. Explain the physical basis for randomness, to make sure this is not accepted by faith, in a formless higher power that appears in black boxes and be conjured by math.

The Atheist idea of random makes it very difficult to falsify even bad theory since anyone can win the lottery, even the odds stacked against them. There is a foundational chaos to modern Atheism due to "no".

 

[Windwalker]

According to the Gospel of Thomas in saying 37, only nudists will know the truth:

His disciples said: On what day will you be revealed to us, and on what day shall we see you? Jesus said: When you unclothe yourselves and are not ashamed, and take your garments and lay them beneath your feet like the little children (and) trample on them, then [you will see] the Son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid.​

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Washing clothing will not suffice. So what the Christians and Atheists who wash their clothing have in common it appears, is the ego.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14).

Why did you feel the need to lie?

 

[McBell]

Why did you feel the need to lie?

What lie?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What lie?

This one:
Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14).

Here is what the verse actually says:
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Not even close.

 

[McBell]

This one:
Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14).

Here is what the verse actually says:
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Not even close.

Depends entirely upon which version of the Bible you read:

(ASV)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

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(BBE)​

A blessing on those whose robes are washed, so that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may go in by the doors into the town.​

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(Bishops)​

Blessed are they that do his commaundementes, that their power may be in the tree of lyfe, and may enter in through the gates into the citie.​

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(Cepher)​

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

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(CEV)​

God will bless all who have washed their robes. They will each have the right to eat fruit from the tree that gives life, and they can enter the gates of the city.​

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(Darby)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.​

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(DRB)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

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(EMTV)​

Blessed are those who do His commandments, so that their right shall be to the tree of life, and they may enter by the gates into the city.​

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(ERV)​

"Great blessings belong to those who have washed their robes. They will have the right to eat the food from the tree of life. They can go through the gates into the city.​

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(ESV)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.​

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(GNB)​

Happy are those who wash their robes clean and so have the right to eat the fruit from the tree of life and to go through the gates into the city.​

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(GW)​

"Blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.​

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(ISV)​

"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city!​

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(LEB) Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates.​

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(NENT)​

Blessed they that wash their *robes, that theirs shall be the authority over the tree of *life, and they may enter by the gates into the city.​

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(RV)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

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(TLV)​

How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.​

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(TPT)​

Wonderfully blessed are those who wash their robes white so they can access the Tree of Life and enter the city of bliss by its open gates.​

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(Weymouth)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes clean, that they may have a right to the Tree of Life, and may go through the gates into the city.​

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(Williams)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so as to have a right to the tree of life and to enter the gates of the city.​

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Depends entirely upon which version of the Bible you read:

(ASV)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

​

(BBE)​

A blessing on those whose robes are washed, so that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may go in by the doors into the town.​

​

(Bishops)​

Blessed are they that do his commaundementes, that their power may be in the tree of lyfe, and may enter in through the gates into the citie.​

​

(Cepher)​

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

​

(CEV)​

God will bless all who have washed their robes. They will each have the right to eat fruit from the tree that gives life, and they can enter the gates of the city.​

​

(Darby)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.​

​

(DRB)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

​

(EMTV)​

Blessed are those who do His commandments, so that their right shall be to the tree of life, and they may enter by the gates into the city.​

​

(ERV)​

"Great blessings belong to those who have washed their robes. They will have the right to eat the food from the tree of life. They can go through the gates into the city.​

​

(ESV)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.​

​

(GNB)​

Happy are those who wash their robes clean and so have the right to eat the fruit from the tree of life and to go through the gates into the city.​

​

(GW)​

"Blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.​

​

(ISV)​

"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city!​

​

(LEB) Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates.​

​

(NENT)​

Blessed they that wash their *robes, that theirs shall be the authority over the tree of *life, and they may enter by the gates into the city.​

​

(RV)​

Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.​

​

(TLV)​

How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.​

​

(TPT)​

Wonderfully blessed are those who wash their robes white so they can access the Tree of Life and enter the city of bliss by its open gates.​

​

(Weymouth)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes clean, that they may have a right to the Tree of Life, and may go through the gates into the city.​

​

(Williams)​

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so as to have a right to the tree of life and to enter the gates of the city.​

It appears that different translations are translating different manuscripts. I had no idea that there was dispute over this passage. Thank you for pointing it out

For anyone interested in reading more about this dispute, here is a good site that I found:

Why does NIV translate Revelation 22:14, Blessed are those who wash their robes?

Revelation 22:14 (New International Version) 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Revelation ...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

Here is the disparity between the manuscripts:

That website argues that the "robes" version is the original version. But I doubt that, since it makes no sense to say anyone is blessed for doing laundry. It makes a LOT of sense to say someone is blessed if they keep the commandments.

 

[ChristineM]

This one:
Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14).

Here is what the verse actually says:
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Not even close.

It depends on the bible you chose as the correct one. There are many different versions.
Revelation 22:14 - Jesus is Coming

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It depends on the bible you chose as the correct one. There are many different versions.
Revelation 22:14 - Jesus is Coming

Right! I learned this, and responded to the new information in post #13. I was completely unaware there were conflicting manuscripts. It's always exciting to learn something new

 

[Jedster]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14). This means anybody who doesn't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy. Ashiests also think people who don't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy.

I think we can all agree regardless of religious status that teenagers need to pick up their clothes and wash their own clothes themselves. Wow, what a blessing that would be!

Aren't Ashiests covered in ash? Do they even have clothes?

ashiest

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of ashiest by The Free Dictionary

www.thefreedictionary.com

 

[ChristineM]

Right! I learned this, and responded to the new information in post #13. I was completely unaware there were conflicting manuscripts. It's always exciting to learn something new

Yup, I noticed @McBell post and your response after I'd posted.
Very few people believe me when i say each version of the almost 3000 bibles are different. Some differences are minor, some like Revelation 22:14 are completely different between versions and in some cases, whole verses are omitted

 

[AnthonyGiarrusso]

It appears that different translations are translating different manuscripts. I had no idea that there was dispute over this passage. Thank you for pointing it out

For anyone interested in reading more about this dispute, here is a good site that I found:

Why does NIV translate Revelation 22:14, Blessed are those who wash their robes?

Revelation 22:14 (New International Version) 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Revelation ...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

Here is the disparity between the manuscripts:
View attachment 81909

That website argues that the "robes" version is the original version. But I doubt that, since it makes no sense to say anyone is blessed for doing laundry. It makes a LOT of sense to say someone is blessed if they keep the commandments.

Commandment #1 "Do your laundry".
Camonadmanrt #2 Refer to commandment #1.

 

[ChristineM]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14). This means anybody who doesn't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy. Ashiests also think people who don't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy.

I think we can all agree regardless of religious status that teenagers need to pick up their clothes and wash their own clothes themselves. Wow, what a blessing that would be!

Interesting note
Early christian leaders condemned cleanliness as unspiritual. In Rome (the empire, as well as the city) Christians were considered tobe dirty.

 

[Fool]

Christians believe "Blessed are those who wash their robes" as mentioned in the bible (Revelation 22:14). This means anybody who doesn't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy. Ashiests also think people who don't wash their clothes are dirty and filthy.

I think we can all agree regardless of religious status that teenagers need to pick up their clothes and wash their own clothes themselves. Wow, what a blessing that would be!

You've never heard of christian atheists?